May not injure you say. Can’t be injured if you’re dead. (P.S. I’m not a robot)
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then_three_more@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It would technically be the fifth law.
Zeroth Law - A robot may not injure humanity or, through inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.
yamapikariya@lemmyfi.com 5 months ago
prex@aussie.zone 5 months ago
Sounds like something a robot would say.
samus12345@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Pretty sure death qualifies as “harm”.
yamapikariya@lemmyfi.com 5 months ago
The sentence says “…or, through inaction allow humanity to come to harm.” If they are dead due to the robots action it is technically within the rules.
samus12345@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Oh, I see, you’re saying they can bypass “injure” and go straight to “kill”. Killing someone still qualifies as injuring them - ever heard the term “fatally injured”? So no, it wouldn’t be within the rules.
andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
The concept of death may be hard to explain because robots don’t need to run 24\7 in order to keep functioning. Until instructed otherwise,a machine would think a person with a cardiac arrest is safe to boot later.
NABDad@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Who can say that death is the injury? It could be that continued suffering would be an injury worse than death. Life is suffering. Death ends life. Therefore, death ends suffering and stops injury.
andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
I mean, this logic sounds not unlike mister Smith from The Matrix.
nicknonya@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
couldn’t that be inferred from the first law?
Mithre@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Actually no! Lower numbered laws have priority over higher numbers, meaning that if they come into conflict the higher number law can be broken. While the first law says they can’t allow humans to come to harm, the zeroth law basically says that if it’s for the good of the species, they absolutely can kill or otherwise hurt individual humans.
nicknonya@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
does that happen in the stories?
Shimon@slrpnk.net 5 months ago
Yes! I think it is the second story in the book
VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Law 0 is also a derived law rather than a programmed one. Robots with both the three laws and sufficient intelligence that are in a position where Law 1 becomes a catch 22 will tend to derive Law 0.
HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Lower numbered laws have priority over higher numbers
That means this is the negative first law
LucidBoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
I just finished the book today 🥲
pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
But if you’re starting from zeroth it would be the fourth.
olutukko@lemmy.world 5 months ago
and with robots and computers it just makes sense to start with 0
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It’s even better because
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A robot created the zeroth law
HessiaNerd@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Only in the shitty movie. Not in the books.