Comment on Stellaris gets a DLC about AI that features AI-created voices, director insists it's 'ethical' and 'we're pretty good at exploring dystopian sci-fi and don't want to end up there ourselves'

• Zahille7@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  True, but it’s not quite working out that way is it?

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  • Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s kind of the point though isn’t it? It’s not the car’s fault we can’t afford the gas. We need to stop arguing about the ethics of using AI and start arguing about the ethics of the people using it unethically.

    There is a person in that studio that suggested using AI, there is a person who gave the go ahead to do it. Those people need to be the problem, not the toy they decided to play with.

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    • Kaldo@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That's a very naive perspective though. We're not blaming the guns for gun violence, it's the people, but restricting access to guns is still the proven way to reduce gun incidents. One day when everyone is enlightened enough to not need such restrictions then we can lift them but we're very far from that point, and the same goes for tools like "AI".

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      • msgraves@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        you’re gonna have a bad time restricting software

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    • Cocodapuf@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That said, this choice wasn’t actually a problem right?

      I mean this game doesn’t use voice actors normally. If they used ai voice actors for this update only to represent the ai characters… isn’t that just appropriate?

      Previously all characters in this game were represented only by text, so literally nobody is being replaced here.

      Another way to think about it would be via representation. We get worked up when an ethnic character on screen is played by a different ethnicity, an actor in blackface for example. And in that vein using ai for organic characters could be seen as offensive, but using ai for ai characters would not. In contrast could we see using human voices for ai characters to be insensitive? That may sound far fetched, but this is sci-fi, the ai characters in the game are fully sentient and in their fictional universe would have rights, the whole point is to make the player think about what that means.

      Well I guess I have my takeaway, I may consider boycotting any game that uses human actors for ai characters. Just get an ai actor… seriously.

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      • Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Honestly, I’d argue that that’s exactly what AI should be for. Either being used by that one guy to give voices to his passion project because he can’t afford to hire voice actors, or to add a touch of the uncanny to an AI character.

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• hrtgnt@szmer.info ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  yea, see i just don’t like how we first automated creativity instead of like, idk, manual labor???

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  • Takumidesh@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Manual labor has been being automated since the industrial revolution.

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    • Pxtl@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Okay but I still have to fold my own laundry.

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      • Womble@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And do you wash your clothes in a bucket, wring them out in a mangler before beating your rugs with a stick to get the dust out of them?

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    • Don_alForno@feddit.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And people still have to lift heavy shit, crawl around in dangerous spaces and generally harm their health to make a living.

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• ChicoSuave@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  In practice, capitalism will use technology to subjugate others instead of allowing technology to free us from work.

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  • Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yes, as long as people keep focusing on fighting the technology instead of fighting capitalism, this is true.

    So we can fight the technology and definitely lose, only to see our efforts subverted to further entrench capitalism and subjugate us harder (hint: regulation on this kind of thing disproportionately affects individuals while corporations carve out exceptions for themselves because ‘it helps the economy’)…

    Or we can embrace the technology and try to use it to fight capitalism, at which point there’s at least a chance we might win, since the technology really does have the potential to overcome capitalism if and only if we can spread it far enough and fast enough that it can’t be controlled or contained to serve only the rich and powerful.

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• HeartyBeast@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The technology is magnifying the flaws in capitalism

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