Comment on Funny, those guys don't usually agree on that much

• thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  ok, so among English speaking countries, how is it more often used?

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  • saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    how is it more often used?

    Look up liberalism for liberals.

    I wasn’t aware Americans made up their own meaning. Now I understand why upvoted comments mentioning “liberal values” receive a flurry of downvotes while I’m asleep, Americans have lost the meaning of another word, probably due to their media.

    Though, just checking, the American dictionaries seem entirely correct still. Are you all confused?

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    • postmateDumbass@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Its the way the wealthy wamt the poor and middle class - undereducated and bombarded by agenda driven media.

      The US propaganda machine is pretty damn effective domestically.

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      • saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yeah. Somehow core values of “freedom and rights for all without encroaching on freedom and rights of others”, is suddenly “an oppressive machine fueling a tiered society controlled by those that take advantage of everyone and only <insert another ideology the commentor also knows nothing about here> can fix it!”.

        The ideology hasn’t ever changed for over a century and can be checked in mere minutes, so people are obviously buying someone’s bullshit from somewhere and it’s working exactly as the seller intends.

        Going to have start signalling when talking about the different concepts, like…

        Today I’d like to discuss liberalism.

        vs

        Today I’d like to discuss 🛻🇺🇸LIBeralism™🎸🦅

        As clearly these are two entirely different—and damn near opposing—ideas lately.

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    • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      www.dictionary.com/browse/liberal

      liberal 1

      [ lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl ]

      Phonetic (Standard) IPA adjective

      1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs. Synonyms: progressive

      Antonyms: reactionary

      2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism, especially the freedom of the individual and governmental guarantees of individual rights and liberties.

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  • archomrade@midwest.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Like I said, it’s fine assuming your own definition if that’s the one most familiar to you, but that doesn’t mean you have to stubbornly double down on semantics when confronted with a competing definition. When used derisively from the left it is almost certainly being used in the original sense of the word as per John Locke

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  • jaspersgroove@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The definition I see most often used here in Lemmy is: Liberal - literally anybody who doesn’t have Xi Jinping’s cock alllllllll the way down their throat

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• Neato@ttrpg.network ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Ok. But this meme says American Republican.

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  • archomrade@midwest.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The meme also says ‘authoritarian communists’ but there are plenty of anarchists and socialists who use liberal as a disparagement.

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    • TheTetrapod@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, this meme was close to something, but I think OP doesn’t actually know much about politics.

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• CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  pretending like it’s the only use comes off as both ill-informed and condescending.

  That works both ways. Pretending the European usage of the word is the only use comes off just as ill-informed and condescending.

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  • archomrade@midwest.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The people who are using liberal derisively are playing off the american liberal self-identity. They’re acknowledging both definitions in the jab.

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