Ok. But this meme says American Republican.
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archomrade@midwest.social 4 months agoIt’s extremely frustrating hearing this repeated so often here.
It’s fine if this is the colloquial definition you’re used to hearing and using, but this is certainly not the way it’s used outside of American politics and pretending like it’s the only use comes off as both ill-informed and condescending.
When used derisively from the left, rest assured it is not referring to either of your adopted generalizations but a very specific ideology.
Neato@ttrpg.network 4 months ago
archomrade@midwest.social 4 months ago
The meme also says ‘authoritarian communists’ but there are plenty of anarchists and socialists who use liberal as a disparagement.
TheTetrapod@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Yeah, this meme was close to something, but I think OP doesn’t actually know much about politics.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
pretending like it’s the only use comes off as both ill-informed and condescending.
That works both ways. Pretending the European usage of the word is the only use comes off just as ill-informed and condescending.
archomrade@midwest.social 4 months ago
The people who are using liberal derisively are playing off the american liberal self-identity. They’re acknowledging both definitions in the jab.
thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 4 months ago
ok, so among English speaking countries, how is it more often used?
saltesc@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Look up liberalism for liberals.
I wasn’t aware Americans made up their own meaning. Now I understand why upvoted comments mentioning “liberal values” receive a flurry of downvotes while I’m asleep, Americans have lost the meaning of another word, probably due to their media.
Though, just checking, the American dictionaries seem entirely correct still. Are you all confused?
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Its the way the wealthy wamt the poor and middle class - undereducated and bombarded by agenda driven media.
The US propaganda machine is pretty damn effective domestically.
saltesc@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Yeah. Somehow core values of “freedom and rights for all without encroaching on freedom and rights of others”, is suddenly “an oppressive machine fueling a tiered society controlled by those that take advantage of everyone and only <insert another ideology the commentor also knows nothing about here> can fix it!”.
The ideology hasn’t ever changed for over a century and can be checked in mere minutes, so people are obviously buying someone’s bullshit from somewhere and it’s working exactly as the seller intends.
Going to have start signalling when talking about the different concepts, like…
Today I’d like to discuss liberalism.
vs
Today I’d like to discuss 🛻🇺🇸LIBeralism™🎸🦅
As clearly these are two entirely different—and damn near opposing—ideas lately.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 months ago
www.dictionary.com/browse/liberal
liberal 1
[ lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl ]
Phonetic (Standard) IPA adjective
Antonyms: reactionary
archomrade@midwest.social 4 months ago
Like I said, it’s fine assuming your own definition if that’s the one most familiar to you, but that doesn’t mean you have to stubbornly double down on semantics when confronted with a competing definition. When used derisively from the left it is almost certainly being used in the original sense of the word as per John Locke
jaspersgroove@lemm.ee 4 months ago
The definition I see most often used here in Lemmy is: Liberal - literally anybody who doesn’t have Xi Jinping’s cock alllllllll the way down their throat