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Trainwreck_Reversed@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

I don’t want to incentivize using tools made through stealing other’s work then claiming it’s for the people

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RusAD@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I’m 99.9% sure that Adobe and all other big tech companies are using LLMs to generate code. So it’s slop either way, but one is at least free and open source

Of course the established alternatives like Krita, Gimp, Inkscape and others are even better, no questions there

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- anti_duehring@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I can confirm for Microsoft. AI is pushed on us so hard that we must use it everywhere, even for those processes that can be automated with a script (I.e.deterministic).
  
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- DahGangalang@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Can confirm, at least for Adobe Acrobat.
  
  There’s an annoying popup ive had to deal with at work where it prompts to have AI summarize my document or some such. Takes up only ~5% of the viewing pane, but needs to be manually exited out of for EVERY document opened.
  
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  - RusAD@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Well, I was thinking about the Adobe devs using LLMs for “coding” their new updates, but yeah, them pushing GenAI onto the users is also a good point
    
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  - Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    And that day you missclick, a +1 will be done in a data base somewhere and Bob the manager will get a tiny bit closer to full fill one of his goals of his PMD.
    
    Doesn’t it warm your heart? /s
    
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- artwork@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Air can simplify the agent part, but not the four-machine SSH part. At least not yet. Inside IntelliJ, Air can give you a single place to run Gemini CLI, Codex, Claude Agent, and Junie, including running agents in parallel (you can also add other ACP-compatible agents).
  
  So your workflow could be:
  
  In the Air prompt window, use Claude for a complex refactoring
  
  In the same window, use Codex for a separate implementation task
  
  In the same window, use Gemini for another task or review
  …
  
  Become more dependent on the AI, atrophy gradually
  
  Think less, pay more
  
  Pay more, think less
  
  Pay more
  
  Depend more
  
  Pay more
  
  Give everything to those who run DataCenters or have unlimited access to LLM/AI
  
  Become homeless
  
  Devalue and obliterate your art and history
  
  Devalue and obliterate human art and history
  
  Depend more
  
  Depend more
  
  Depend more
  
  Become biomass
  
  Die
  
  …so infinitely much is getting devalued, dehumanized, ruined…
  …I’ve been a developer for more than 20 years now…
  …such an ineffably sorrowful time to live…
  
  Source (JetBrains Air: Building a System of Products for Agentic Software Development…) [comments]
  
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- Blackfeathr@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Lemme be the first to say fuck Adobe and I’ve been sailing the high seas for their products since CS4, and it pains me to say this but Krita and GIMP have a long way to go before they can match the range of functionality on Photoshop.
  
  I genuinely really hope an open source project comes along to blow Photoshop out of the water but as someone who has been using it for 24 years, no one else is quite there yet.
  
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  - TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    It’s wild to see the divergence between Hump and Qgis.
    
    10 years ago both were barely functional. Qgis however, is now I would say better than it’s corporate alternative.
    
    Probably a book could be written about the differences between the two projects.
    
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Khrux@ttrpg.network ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I think it’s worth reminding people where the general left wing FOSS conscious was before AI. Every week we’d see an article that was the antithesis of ownership, from celebrating the end of Disney copyright to loopholes in trademarks and the like, it was the heart of a lot of content.

There is a fantastic foreword foreword in The Picture of Dorian Gray from Oscar Wilde about art for art’s sake that I think about a lot, which really boils down to a litany for art for art’s sake, (and by extension education for education’s sake), that is overlooked in favour of being for the sake of profit or capital.

I am of the opinion that in response to AI, we have drifted from a left wing overall movement that rejected ownership in this way, to a protective, defensive style that is largely that stance of a neo-luddide, without any awareness of what ended that era, which was an insufficient boycott and misspent manpower.

I want to say, I’m someone who is overall against AI, I’m not sure how to prove it, any any time I try to explain points like this, people claim AI wrote my comment.

AI is evil, and has enormous destructive capacity, but making the walled garden of large capitalist software irrelevant in favour of FOSS solutions is a huge win, even in regards to being a result of AI.

I’d rather the water, electrical and creative debt that is incurred by AI is paid off by programs like this, than see companies like Adobe operate, particularly considering they literally changed their TOS to train their internal AI on user data.

Either way, your data is being used to train AI, regardless of if you use Photoshop or Photocraft, but one is FOSS, and openly made with that data.

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- sinedpick@awful.systems ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  it’s very simple to understand: the companies stole everything and charge for access to it, and this is wrong. There is no contradiction with pre-llm leftist thought.
  
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  - Khrux@ttrpg.network ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I very much agree that there is something to highlight in the conversation of private ownership and AI being trained on public work and sold as something private.
    
    I do also think that in this case, a major monopolistic corporation being made irrelevant via the creation of open source software, it’s a net positive.
    
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- TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I continue to reject ownership. But the reactionary creep you describe existed before LLMs. It was often framed around discussing things like Spotify and piracy.
  
  There are several rightwing thought patterns which “drifted” into leftwing spaces in the past 10 years especially. I see it as people who has some reactionary tendencies seeing Trump and thinking " well I don’t like that" and seeking out alternative spaces. But they didn’t ourge themselves of their reactionary tendencies first. They didn’t do any introspection.
  
  So we have a few of these. Private property being one. A weird, anti sexuality is another. Being pro genocide if it’s their preferred team doing it. I can go on.
  
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theparadox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
As i recall, the claim for the entire suite was that it was “clean-room”. No code stolen… unless you are concerned that the entire model is the result of stolen code… in which case we are in agreement.

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- GeirGrusom@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  This is ArtCraft we’re talking about, right? The “Adobe” thing is just marketing. It’s just a bunch of AI tools sewn together.
  
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- crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Most certainly the latter but if it’s used for open source then in not too mad about it
  
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nialv7@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
stealing from the people is wrong, but i support stealing from the bourgeoise.

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- Trainwreck_Reversed@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  If you’re advocating on the behalf of the vibe coded adobe alternatives, you’re essentially saying “I support stealing from everyone”. Yes, I hate adobe, I say eat the rich, but dont exploit the poor in the meantime
  
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  - nialv7@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    no i don’t support stealing from everyone. it’s possible to endorse a certain type of action only in certain context. like i don’t think stealing from walmart is morally wrong, but i think stealing from a mom-and-pop corner shop definitely is.
    
    it would be even better if stole from adobe without paying the ai companies, i.e. open weights models.
    
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  - Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Won’t someone think of the copyright companies
    
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    Trainwreck_Reversed@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    That’s not what I said what xd
    
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PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Stealing Adobe’s work is good, actually. Let’s steal Adobe’s everything!

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- Trainwreck_Reversed@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yeah, go against adobe, I support you, but stay with the people. Dont use the big tech’s stealing machine. Dont incentivize big tech’s current fascist push of a product. AI is bad in so many ways, environmentally, ethically; taking away real people’s work, stealing other people’s work.
  
  If you want to use this AI generated alternative of adobe because adobe is horrible, then I understand you, and that’s fine, if you remember that this isn’t perfect either.
  
  This is a lesser evil, and we should seek out alternatives still. Hope there’s someone who isn’t discouraged by this project as its now been praised by literally everyone
  
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  - PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    Dont use the big tech’s stealing machine.
    
    Would you oppose this being done with locally run LLMs whose models are open weight (preferably open source) driven by clean energy? (You don’t need a data center to do inference.) Because I don’t oppose “stealing” information when its proletarians doing the “stealing”. E.g., I’ve “stolen” literally thousands of textbooks and papers with LibGen and Anna’s Archive and SciHub, and I will never ever ever feel guilty about that.
    
    Because if your opposition is to increased corporate control, then I get your frustration. I’m absolutely against the corpos controlling… literally fucking anything, but unfortunately they do control the compute these days, so in the short term these are the conditions we have to plan around. So this seems like using the capitalists’ tools against them. It’s obviously not as good as taking the capitalists’ tools away from them, but it’s something.
    
    If you want to use this AI generated alternative of adobe because adobe is horrible, then I understand you…
    
    Actually I don’t plan on using this particular tool. I typically just use GIMP or Krita since I’m not a professional, and I still want to see those ecosystems succeed. If anything, I hope it will convince GIMP to give users choices for GIMP to work like Adobe. I’m speaking up because in some circumstances, I absolutely do not oppose using or creating vibe-coded software from a technical perspective.
    
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    Trainwreck_Reversed@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I guess I was assuming how this project was made, as some people have pointed out about its “clean-room” method, but checking the GitHub, the main contributor is Claude’s llm, which grabs everything and anything.
    
    I should probably think about how I feel about locally run llms, because its not massive polluting and disturbing data centers, but again, the models themselves are trained on something, and even though you can’t get “good” models without a lot of training data, it would still be unethical, atleast in these cases. Slightly off topic at the end but I guess that’s just my main concern here.
    
    I can also understand the view point of llms being “using the capitalist’s tools against them”, and in some ways you’re right, but I still think we should be aware of what were using and what were doing instead of just praising it in the name of fighting back.
    
    I myself will still not like generative AI, simply because of all the shit and more, but also how damaging it has been for the creative space
    
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artwork@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
They literally used AI to make concept images of something that already exists

There’s a particle of a relatively explainable sense in it, unfortunately…

Simply put, AI has made it easier than ever to launder image copyright infringement… That, in turn, is where AI is changing the game. Previously, content laundering was about fooling computers. Now, it may be able to fool humans.

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These two challenges converge on a single point: the need for transparency about what data was used to train a model. Without such transparency…

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The foundational principle is deceptively simple: copyright requires a human author… Writing a detailed prompt is not enough.

The machines are producing at extraordinary speed. The law is moving slowly, but it is moving. The businesses that fare best will be those that understood the difference in time.

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Is it possible they used a generated noise/sorrow of an actual item to have it “copyright-less” and don’t bother about any human involved into? Even though the models are based on “fair use” of now unknown artists and people, now scrambled and reconstructed… which is all utterly awfully disrespectfully disgusting… indeed…

Also known as “AI-laundering”…

Create or fund a non-profit entity to create the datasets for you. The non-profit, research-oriented nature of these entities allows them to use copyrighted material more easily.

Then use this dataset to create commercial products, without offering any compensation for the use of copyrighted material.

Source (How Stability AI managed to get millions of copyrighted artworks without paying artists…)

Related: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_washing
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surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
You wouldn’t download a car

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- TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  If I did download a car, which I would, I would also seed said car.
  
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StabbingSky@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I’m fairly certain that Adobe’s genAI offering is trained on licensed works.

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- Trainwreck_Reversed@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I’m not saying adobe is good, I’m saying this adobe alternative is also bad. Like I guess photocraft and its suite is a lesser evil, but you can’t say this project is by and for the people when its, again, built by stolen works
  
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- kestrel7_7@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  It’s not 🖤
  
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BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Corporate theft engines being used to drink those same corporations milkshakes feels like karmic justice. This time, I will withold my objections and fetch some popcorn.

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