Comment on DLSS 5 comes with a massive 50-60% performance hit, so I hope you like lower frame rates with your dose of AI image enhancement

thingsiplay@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I want to make sure I understand this right. The 6X here means that for every one real frame generated by the GPU, the next six frames that follow will be AI generated?

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  • Solemarc@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’m pretty sure its 1 real frame every X frames so 6x would be 1 real, 5 generated.

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    • thingsiplay@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This is how I understand it too. It is 6x frame generation means 6 times the amount it had before. If it had 10 frames before, then 6x means 60 frames in total, which are 50 of them fake frames. Note to anyone reading this: Frame Generation is also adding lag. So anyone saying Frame Generation is increasing performance just because the numbers go higher, did not understand what it is. In fact Frame Generation is decreasing performance.

      Now imagine you use DLSS and RayTracing, and to feel good you add Frame Generation. What an abomination is this?

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      • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        What the hell is even the point of that? (Other than to sell graphics cards…)

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      • Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        A marketer’s dream (but garbage to everyone else).

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      • HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Man you're basically not even playing the game at that point.

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• artyom@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Are you saying that the 50-60% lower framerate is with with 6x framegen on?

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  • thingsiplay@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yes, but also it does not matter if framegen is on or off. Using DLSS 5 to change the faces is a 50 to 60% hit in performance. Lets say the 5090 gets about 60 fps in average (at 4k, Ultra Settings and RayTracing on) as an example. That didn’t look good to Nvidia, so they boosted those numbers with framegen on at 6x times, to get an average framerate display of 370 fps. Which also increases latency BTW, which Nvidia does not disclose here, as it would look bad.

    Each those diagrams and numbers Nvidia put on screenshots, look down at the bottom it says Multi Frame Gen 6x. It’s small, most people would miss.

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• turdas@suppo.fi ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Isn’t the input lag going to be insane if the game runs at, say, 10 fps? This would have to come with some kind of new render pipeline where the simulation can somehow still run at a higher framerate.

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  • thingsiplay@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Exactly (we almost posted at the same time, where I explicitly talked about this in the other reply, lol, also with 10 fps as example. :D). There is a reason why Nvidia does not share the latency. I have no idea how this is legal.

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• Paradachshund@lemmy.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I don’t really get how frame generation works, but at what point are you extrapolating so much that it gets out of sync with the gameplay? Surely there’s a limit…

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  • Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The game can pass movement vectors so they gen image can adapt.

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    • Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨34⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      The main images are fully rendered

      It delays the task frame from showing and then generates between frame, then more between frames and again more (6x 5 total frames)

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