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• Saapas@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If you’re into sexualized (cartoon) children you’re a pedophile, so the translation would be factually correct. That sort of pedophilia just has much less cultural acceptance in English speaking world

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  • turdas@suppo.fi ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That sort of pedophilia just has much less cultural acceptance in English speaking world

    Which is why it’s not always the most accurate translation. Part of the job of a translator is to translate cultural nuance, which would be lost here.

    It’s a bit like how in English, Epstein wouldn’t call Trump a pedophile, he’d say he “likes them young”. In Japanese he could call him a lolicon and get the same tone.

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    • edible_funk@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The lack of stigma against pedophilia does not make it not pedophilia, it just makes it socially acceptable to be a pedophile.

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      • turdas@suppo.fi ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yes, and part of the job of a translator is to make sure that this fact is clear to the reader of the translation. “Pedophile” is virtually never a socially acceptable moniker in English whereas sometimes in Japanese “lolicon” is. Therefore it cannot be translated directly. This isn’t particularly unusual; Japanese is a very contextual language, so even beyond cultural differences there are lots of words that require a different translation in different contexts.

        For this specific scene the translation could well be fine (I imagine it’s probably a gag scene where the other character gets flustered and rejects the accusation), but there are circumstances where a different translation is required.

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    • Saapas@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      How would you translate the word to best fit the meaning?

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      • psycotica0@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If the term isn’t meant to be so “heavy” in the original usage, and there isn’t an equivalent “light” term here, I wonder if it would’ve been better to just translate it as “I didn’t realize you were a creep” or something else that misses the nuance, but gets the intended feeling and tone across.

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      • FishFace@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        he’d say he “likes them young”

        They already basically answered that.

        Though in this context, maybe the best thing to do is to not translate it. Most of the audience is likely to know the word already.

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      • turdas@suppo.fi ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I don’t know, I haven’t watched the show so I don’t know what the meaning is here.

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• Klear@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That just sounds to me that pedophilia is not frowned upon in Japan, not that the translation is inaccurate.

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  • turdas@suppo.fi ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Part of the job of a translator is to translate cultural nuance, which would be lost here. That’s what makes the translation inaccurate in some contexts.

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    • ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So we need to translate it so the audience undertands there’s a level of implied acceptance of pedos. How’s this?

      “I didn’t know you were a redditor”

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    • RaphaelSchmitz@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That sounds like not calling a cannibal a cannibal because of the negative connotation which the word doesn’t have in cannibal culture

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      • turdas@suppo.fi ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        So small-minded? Let me remind you that “cannibal” is originally an ethnonym coined by Columbus for the native Caribbean people, whose culture certainly had a lot more nuance than just eating people.

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