North Korea - Korean war and Serbia - Yugoslav wars
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Ardiente@ttrpg.network 10 months ago
Noob here, can guess Russia with ukraine but can anyone supply the full list for context on this meme ?
Knoxvomica@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
hillosipuli@discuss.tchncs.de 10 months ago
Korean war and probably Kosovo war (or Yugoslavia wars in general) for Serbia
joyjoy@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Not pictured: Japan (obvious reasons)
Stovetop@lemmy.world 10 months ago
The other two flags are North Korea (left) and Serbia (right).
North Korea began the Korean War by invading South Korea. It didn’t end well for them (or for the South, for that matter) but South Korea prospers today while the North is…well, North Korea.
For Serbia, it is one of the many states formed from the dissolution of Yugoslavia. Going from one country to several countries which were defined mainly by ethnic association was not a clean transition. There were Serbs living in other former Yugoslav countries, and Serbia used that justification to start occupying those majority-Serbian areas, similar to what Russia has been doing with Ukraine, Transnistria, South Ossetia, and to a lesser extent Abkhazia.
dfc09@lemmy.world 10 months ago
More specifically with Serbia, they were genociding until NATO stepped in and bombed them, and have spent the last 20+ years crying about how NATO was the big bad boogie man who attacked first, while simultaneously trying to destabilize Kosovo through frequent Russian backed violations of the MTA that ended the open conflict. Literal government policies of a schoolyard bully.
DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 10 months ago
South Korea at the time was run by actual fascists, people often originally put in charge by the prior Japanese occupation who helped genocide their own people and kept by the “democratic” Allies because, being fascists, they really hated commies.
It’s also simply disingenuous to pretend North Korea’s economic problems aren’t mostly caused by the embargo they’ve been under for seventy years.
Does that make North Korea the victim?
Well, not really, but on the other hand, you can certainly understand the invasion.
Unlike some people, they actually were invading fascists. Ones that actually were their people’s oppressors, and even to this day most Koreans consider themselves a divided nation and support reunification, unlike Russia and Ukraine or Serbia and literally everyone else from the former Yugislavia because the Serbs were dicks.
From that point of view it’s certainly easier to understand why they would portray themselves as victims compared to people who just want to conquer and genocide their neighbors.
But time is funny, you become what you hate, etc.
Can’t really say Marxist-> Feudal Monarchy is the typical trajectory though.
MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I don’t think South Korea was a fascist state…
But it certainly was a ruled by a nationalist right wing dictator.
My only source is slight knowledge on the Korean War and this: www.quora.com/Was-Syngman-Rhee-a-fascist
andros_rex@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Autocratic and repressive. Syngman Rhee wasn’t really an “organic” leader either - essentially picked by the US because he spoke decent English. Imprisoned commies, eventually forced to resign (read: evacuated by the US government) after college kid protestors were murdered by police. South Korea was under autocratic military regimes for most of the second half of the 20th century.
Syngman Rhee’s political philosophy also had an ethnostate aspect to it - a sense of Korean superiority.
I’m not an expert in Korean history, but an autocratic, militaristic government which cracks down hard on communism and believes in a “master race” is getting into “if it quacks like a duck” territory. There are as many definitions of fascism as there are scholars of fascism, but I think it fits a traditional Eco/Griffin mold.
seeking_perhaps@mander.xyz 10 months ago
He pulled this type of shit: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeju_uprising.
We’re splitting hairs here but he was a US puppet that happily killed his opposition.
Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 10 months ago
lol Serbians don’t need a majority. If there were two Serbs and a cup living in a given city, Serbia would claim it and ethically cleanse the shit out of it.
Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Bosnia has entered the chat…