Comment on Belgium national team's officialsocial media post after beating theUSA national team in the World Cup:"Overturn this"

redlemace@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• CarpalTunnelButt@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I think Cape Verde gets that designation, but yes, we appreciate Belgium too.

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  • maccentric@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That game was sooo damn good.

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• somethingsnappy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Not on behalf of DRC, or a few other “colonies.”

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  • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You’re right but also extremely wrong:

    Unbeknownst to most, Belgium was one of the absolute WORST colonial powers back in the day, which deserves all the condemnation in the world.

    That being said, MODERN DAY Belgium isn’t doing any of that, much less the national football team.

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    • shawn1122@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      History doesn’t exist in a vacuum I’m afraid. If an entity, whether it’s a person or a nation, commits atrocities and then simply stops doing so, can we call that justice?

      Leopold, turned the Congo Free State into his personal, horrific rubber-and-ivory fiefdom from 1885 to 1908, used the profits to bankroll massive architectural and infrastructure projects in Brussels, Antwerp, and Ostend (e.g., the Cinquantenaire park, the Royal Palace of Laeken, and the Antwerp Central Station).

      The profits were deeply integrated into Belgium’s financial and industrial sectors (steel, banking, and manufacturing), giving the country a massive economic head start in European and global markets during the 20th century.

      Antwerp is the diamond capital of the world, handling roughly 84% of the world’s rough diamonds. Critics point out that a massive portion of the DRC’s vast diamond wealth historically and currently flows straight to Antwerp, meaning Belgium still captures the high-value “refining and trading” end of the supply chain, while the DRC is left with the environmental and human cost of raw extraction.

      Major Belgian conglomerates, or companies born out of the colonial structure (like Umicore, formerly Union Minière du Haut-Katanga), transitioned from colonial owners to powerful multinational players. They still hold significant strategic advantages and interests in extracting critical minerals like cobalt and copper from Central Africa.

      When the DRC gained independence in 1960, its first democratically elected Prime Minister, Patrice Lumumba, wanted to nationalize the country’s resources so the Congolese people could finally benefit from them. Fearing the loss of mineral access, Belgian officials (with the help of the CIA) were deeply complicit in Lumumba’s overthrow and assassination, replacing him with Mobutu Sese Seko—a brutal dictator who let Western corporations keep extracting wealth while plunging his own country into poverty.

      Colonialism may have come to an end but Belgium is still a neocolonialist nation.

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      • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        This is for informational purposes only

        Fair enough. I was about to be snarky about blaming the football team for it, so thanks for heading that fruitless discussion off at the pass 😁

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      • zqps@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Colonialism only took on modern forms. It’s always been might makes right.

        Now with some countries slowly rising from its shadows, a lot of people in the west are pissing their pants that the tables might turn. Even if we’re a very long stretch away from that, and climate change is ironically affecting us less than the so-called global south.

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      • elucubra@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Colonialism has generally never played nice for the conquered, however, some, like the Romans, and to a certain extent the Moors, Ottomans, Spanish, and others were somewhat integrating, excesses and plunder non withstanding, and contributed to the conquered. Belgian Congo was pure evil.

        I have Belgian blood, BTW.

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    • BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      King Leopold is absolutely one of the worse humans we have ever produced.

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    • Jiral@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I thought it was pretty much general knowledge that Belgium was one of the most terrible colinial powers in europe?

      I do see the lack of relevance of that for that football game though. It is like talking about the genocide(s) the US was built upon, just because of a football game.

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      • angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        People do that kind of thing all the time though.

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    • dethedrus@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Leopold the First was some random minor German nobility who was placed on the ‘throne’ iirc.

      His son was one of history’s more horrific, while still utterly incompetent, monsters.

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      • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Thanks, edited the original comment 😁

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      • elucubra@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Europe’s royal shuffling is rife with things like that. Most royal families have blood ties with each other, and historically have agreed to place one of theirs on another countries throne to keep collective hold on the continent.

        “The German Kaiser (Wilhelm II), Russian Czar (Nicholas II), and English King (George V) were all first cousins. Their grandmother was England’s Queen Victoria, making the English and German kings first cousins. The English and Russian kings were also first cousins, as their mothers were sisters.”

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  • noli@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Which other belgian colonies?

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  • regdog@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    booo

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