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ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml 2 weeks agoYou’re right, but if we used butter instead, the necessary cows would surely require yet more space.
Its replacement depends on the product you’re trying to make. Like, they could not remove the cocoa butter from chocolate, for example.
Which reminds me, someone gave me a bunch of chocolate bars with a large “rainforest alliance” logo on it that had palm oil as the second ingredient. They’re inedible.
If only vegetable oils existed…
Different use cases.
Fats that are solid ( or at least not kept liquid) are not directly comparable to oils. They fulfill a different function in baked goods. In particular, pie crust with vegetable oil would fail totally. It wouldn’t hold up.
Mind you, if you don’t object to hydrogenated oils, they can do the job. Yay margarine? But you can’t just dump 10 grams of canola into your biscuits and expect the results to look, taste, or feel like a biscuit. You’d get something, but it wouldn’t be the same.
Palm oil doesn’t tase good at all so you can just as well use margarine made from sunflower or canola oil.
It’s pretty tasteless overall.
And when it comes right down to it, hydrogenated oils are their own nightmare. There’s really no perfect choices for every person in every situation.
Like, lard and tallow work even better than butter in some applications, including some desserts. But then you run into the health side of things and vegetarians aren’t going to use them.
I personally don’t like palm oil either. I find it unpleasant for mouth feel. I’m just saying that it fills a role that other things don’t, and does it in a way that’s a different set of problems.
You mean like palm oil?
notsosure@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It’s not a choice between palm oil or butter. You can create a vegan pie easily. Yummie yummie.
ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Isn’t palm oil vegan?
notsosure@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Nope, it contains bits and pieces of orangutans.
Saber_is_dead@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That doesn’t sound right. But I don’t know enough about orangutans to dispute it.
GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
It depends on your definition of veganism. There is no animal product in it, but to use it in the quantities we do requires the destruction of a lot of habitat that certain animals require to survive.
Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Yeah, people constantly confuse veganism for a diet.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Since veganism is mainly about ethicality, i’d guess not.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Only when it comes to animals. You can be an almond milk drinking vegan despite the amount of water necessary to make an almond.
starlinguk@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I had an argument about palm oil with a vegan who said that I was against it because I supported Big Dairy…
Mwa@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
i think so since it comes from a tree