Comment on French retailer mocks €1039 Steam Machine with “Stim Machine” RX 9060 XT PC for €999

• rafoix@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  What is the selling point of a steam machine.

  “Do you want to overpay for obsolete hardware that can barely run most modern games? Are you really stupid and cannot use a USB drive to make a very simple software installation that already has tons of step by step instructions freely available online?”

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  • placebo@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It’s an average gaming PC. Tune down your arrogance a little.

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    • rafoix@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It’s trash.

      Outdated before anyone even gets their hands on it.

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  • Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Stop being a drama queen, I have worse hardware than a steam machine and can play most modern games at 60fps 1080p on medium settings, or high with fsr. The vast majority of people aren’t targeting 240fps 4k on Ultra.

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    • GreenCrunch@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      And then there’s those of us who don’t play a ton of modern games - For a ton of older games you don’t need high end hardware.

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      • grinning_serpent@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Right, but in that case you wouldn’t waste a thousand bucks on a Steam machine anyway. You’d get a decent budget CPU and GPU, very likely secondhand, and call it a day for like half that price at most.

        It’s very expensive to have a “AAA ready” machine these days but an “indie and retro machine” can be pretty affordable if you’re able to get secondhand parts at a decent price. Like you can get a used 3060 8GB for a little over $200 on eBay here and that’ll easily handle pretty much any indie under the sun.

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  • 87Six@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    You are seeing it as a PC. It’s not. You have to see it for what it actually is: a console. You compare this to other consoles, not to a PC.

    It’s really fucking sad that in making this thing repairable, and relatively modifiable, people now expect everything else a PC has and compare it to a PC unjustly.

    It’s not a prebuilt either. If it were, it would have a sticker on the CPU IHS, the power cable wouldn’t be plugged in internally, and the PSU would catch on fire on the 69th boot.

    But let’s see anyway:

    • repairability
    • freedom of modification
    • "lifetime" support in the form of security updates, if I remember right; that older steam console still receives updates like 9 years later
    • shared library of games, as opposed to a locked down ecosystem like the PS5 or Xbox S
    • when it dies you’ve got yourself a linux server because again, it’s not locked down
    • all parts are replaceable, clearly labeled
    • you can easily upgrade RAM and storage, and they aren’t that weird rare form factor some prebuilts use, it’s just an LPDDR stick I think
    • it’s pretty damn quiet
    • it’s tiny as hell; in a living room this really matters
    • Valve support is known to be top notch
    • no online pay subscription
    • an open source arch-based OS that you can know for a fact is not spying on you?

    But what exactly are the points in buying a PS5, for example?

    • having to pay to play online?
    • having a dead box after it becomes unsupported?
    • getting a shit controller that breaks if your little brother breaths on it wrong and that you can’t fix because it’s a POS?
    • being locked into an ecosystem forever?
    • have 0 privacy and need to agree to 10 billion TOS’s every time you do anything? That POS definitely records ALL the data it can about you. I think Steam does too but I think the level of scumminess is not the same.

    All just so your games run a little better?

    If you don’t like it don’t buy it.

    If you have a PC you’re not the target audience in the first place.

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    • Dremor@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Valve explicitly said it is to be considered as a PC, focussed on playing game, not a console. Thus a PC price point, not sold at loose.

      Their word, not mine.

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      • 87Six@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        what they said doesn’t change what the thing is

        Them comparing it to a PC is an endorsement and a marketing tactic to promote the usual good aspects of a PC of their new hardware

        You can’t tell me you actually believe that thing to be more a PC than a console when it comes to the use case…

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