I don’t get the downvotes, I agree with you. It’s not okay, and yes, it’s legally rape, but it doesn’t have to be traumatizing the victims in the same way as the examples you also mentioned. And that’s not an excuse, but a reasonable answer to the question you responded to.
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JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2 weeks agoI feel icky saying it but I think a lot has to do with the consenting nature of said 14 year olds. I don’t think riding the tour bus to the next state was really looked at like trafficking, and they weren’t coerced into attending the concert. It doesn’t make it right, but it feels different when a popular known sex icon rock star does it than a creepy, overweight real estate mogul and his super rich friends literally steals girls away from their lives with (sometimes) false promises of being a model.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Yea but it’s easier to join a dog pile than it is to think critically.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The critical thinking required is to admit that someone under the age of consent cannot consent. The attractive rock star is just as evil as the hideous Epstein client.
architect@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
Oh no no no. They had sex slaves on that island. It is not the same.
Soulg@ani.social 2 weeks ago
The worst part about reddit that lemmy just copied inherently.
Yay social media!
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
So you think that if a fourteen year old likes getting raped it’s not that bad?
Where’s the cut-off in your mind?
Is it not that tramatizing if it’s a promiscuous six year old?
Soulg@ani.social 2 weeks ago
Man reading comprehension sure is dead
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
Explain to me how a fourteen year old can give consent to an adult.
jve@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It may surprise you to learn that SatansMaghotyCumFart is a troll.
velma@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Holy shit, I didn’t realize this community actually harbored people rationalizing the rape of 14 year olds.
What the fuck.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
I know it’s fucking disgusting.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
You’re a fucking idiot. But you seem to be in very good company here. The fact that you don’t register that it’s not even specifically Steven Tyler we’re talking about; but the difference between a minor that wants to have sex with an adult willingly (which is the hang up I think), regardless of legality, and a person of any age being physically or otherwise forces or coerces an unwilling participant into sexual acts. Yes, both situations are bad things. No, they are not equivalent. That’s what my first comment said, I have repeated it multiple times, other people with first hand experience have added their two cents. It’s ultimately up to you to rub a few neurons together long enough to process a rational argument and not responding emotionally. Have a nice evening.
stray@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
I really think we need different words for these things. In my own experience, consenting to sexual contact with over 18’s as a teenager was a neutral-to-positive experience for me, while being assaulted by under 18’s was not hella fun. I don’t really like that they’re bundled together as the same thing.
architect@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
It’s an interesting point. I was once a 14 year old girl. I would have consented to fucking a rock star for sure back then. It was more ok to be with older guys then and I didn’t really have bad experiences with who I gave consent to, either.
cokeslutgarbage@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
When I was a 15 year old girl and the 35 year old man that had been giving me attention all week ASKED if he could touch me, I was so excited and wanted it to happen.
I regret it now, and when I think about that man now, i think about what a sick and disgusting person he was. And I think about how I wish the adults in my life has protected little me better. But it wasn’t traumatizing or scary when it happened, and while I legally couldn’t consent, I mean… I consented as much as was possible. I thought I was cool and beautiful and grown up, because a handsome adult man thought I was pretty.
It’s complicated. I know now that it was wrong for that man to do that, but I’m trying not to hate myself for wanting it and liking it at the time. I do believe it was wrong and bad, but it’s hard to reconcile how I felt then vs how I feel now.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Hey u/smcf, come tell this person they were raped
velma@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
This individual’s experience shouldn’t be extrapolated to Steven Tyler’s victims. They’re not the same people.
Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Hey there, you should feel icky, because that is one of the most disgusting takes I’ve ever seen. You are defending raping children. Take a very long look in the mirror and repeat that to yourself.
If you have any kids, you need to surrender them IMMEDIATELY. You are not fit in any way to be a parent. Disgusting.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
It’s glorious how little I care about your overblown reactionary opinion. Have a pleasant day
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You are an idiot. Previous commentor was not defending this in any way, he was looking to find an explanation as to why Stephen Tyler got away with things.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
It’s just an easy way to feel superior to a stranger on the Internet they otherwise know zero about.
velma@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
“Consenting nature of 14 year olds” when talking about rape isn’t an explanation, it’s justification.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Money and power is the explanation.
architect@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
Reddit take.
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It boggles my mind the lengths people go to in order to talk about Trump in my posts. Sure Steven Tyler is being discussed as a rapist… But you know, his rape was kinda like cool and alright because he was kinda cool and the girl probably thought he was cool. Plus she’s a wise old 14 which means apparently consent is possible, especially because the guy, the guy is COOL. Meanwhile this completely unrelated guy is not kinda cool so when he raped kids it wasn’t cool. You don’t make a bad point necessarily, just kind of an obvious who gives a fuck point. Man gets shot in the head and dies instantly vs man is slowly tortured to death with knives. Both are murder, saying one isn’t as bad is disrespectful to both victims. Hopefully anyone reading this has the cognitive ability to differentiate where I was being sarcastic.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Sorry, did you write something there?
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nothing that would impact your way of thinking.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
If a rockstar fucks a fourteen year old that’s rape.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I didn’t disagree with that, just answering why I think it’s less scrutinized. The other commenter really had a meltdown.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
You spoke about the consenting nature of fourteen year olds so I don’t entirely disagree with what they said.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
It illegal for them to consent, but far from impossible