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• WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “Early” being relative to the specific vehicles involved. Lorries/tractor-trailers needs a LOT more time to find an opening before a merge than a “four-wheeler” does.

  Besides it’s long been proven that “zipper merging” - which is basically waiting up to almost the last second to merge - is the more efficient method.

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  • Saapas@piefed.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s more efficient if people let you pass in front of them. Which they might.

    Not very efficient if you have to stop next to a moving lane lol

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    • WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s a training issue more than anything else. People have never been taught how to merge well, and so inevitably everybody has their own “camp” when it comes to best practices. Statistics show that zipper merging is best, but far too many people care more about their illogical feelings than the facts.

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      • socsa@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Zipper merging is ideal in certain situations but not all of them. It reduces the total “length” of traffic the choke point, but doesn’t necessarily increase the total throughout. It’s primarily meant to prevent traffic from backing up to other lights and intersections on the road. The throughput optimum for lighter traffic is to merge earlier (though not miles back) to maintain speed, and people who force their way in at the last second cause the standard “traffic wave” problems. That’s why it isn’t quite as clear cut as people make it - the optimum behavior is situational and that level of complexity is not well gasped by your average person who is profoundly uncurious of the world around them.

        Then there’s the issue of people wanting to zipper merge in places where it is completely inappropriate because it blocks a travel lane. This was a weekly debate on our local subreddit when I was still using it. Enough people insisted that a highway interchange should be treated as a zipper, despite that blocking the main road, is high enough that I am convinced that the zipper narrative has been a net negative. Though I also concede that most of these people would still be idiots about it without the plausible justification for bad behavior.

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  • DScratch@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Came here to find this argument.

    Well done everyone!

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  • LurkingLuddite@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Nope. That’s not zipper merging.

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    • WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I said “basically” to imply it was being started in a simplistic manner for expediency. The article gave the full story, and I’d rather they got the full story along with proof it provided. You’re nit-picking, which isn’t surprising considering your other responses.

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• prettybunnys@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It always makes sense to merge at the last safe moment, but only if everyone else is doing that which requires everyone to trust each other and I can trust myself but I can’t trust any of you fuckers, etc.

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  • WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah, it would take a concerted, long-running campaign to reeducate drivers on the topic, as well as a nearly unified backing from those in a position to deliver it. Considering how political issues have been going downhill for so long that we’ve effectively sunk well past unheard of new lows, I’m not holding my breath on that one even though it really shouldn’t matter that much to them to be worth fighting over.

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    • prettybunnys@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      We all were supposed to be taught it in drivers ed.

      The problem is most people are shit drivers who don’t know the law or the rules or even the guidelines.

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      • WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’d say a fair amount to have at least some idea that they’re doing things they really shouldn’t, but just DGAF. It feels like the majority of the populace have become significantly more selfish over the years, but will never admit that to themselves - let alone anyone else. It’s the dog-eat-dog mindset inching towards its inevitable end.

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• plyth@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If there’s a lot of traffic it makes sense to try and find room to merge early though

  Not at all. You destroy a smooth process where both lanes drive at the same speed. It turns into a stop and go in one lane while the other keeps getting filled with new cars from the back that join at the last moment.

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• Grazed@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Only because of dumbasses who won’t let everyone zipper merge. If we could actually educate people on how to zipper merge, we wouldn’t need to pull off a heist to get out of an ending lane.

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  • Saapas@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If only. But as things stand, I’d rather merge early than have to stop next to a moving lane. Less dangerous too than to try to merge from zero to however fast the other lane is going.

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