Comment on Military Grade

Hiphophorrah@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• JayhawkJedi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Military grade means made by the lowest bidder.

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  • Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    So? Commercial is also made to be the cheapest.

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    • JayhawkJedi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It is kind of an inside joke (not the best description, but close enough). People in the military know how shitty some of their gear is. Military grade used in marketing only makes people who don’t know think it is tough shit. Military folk know it means nothing.

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      • JustEnoughDucks@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Except boots.

        If infantry bought the straight trash on the consumer market today, they would fall apart in a month…

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    • CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Commercial still has to be somewhat good (in general) to stay in business. Military suppliers just need to supply Trump with pre-teens so they can cut even more corners.

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      • Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        No they don’t. Look at Aliexpress. They sell cheap crap that is so low cost, nobody bothers to return it if it breaks immediately.

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    • 9point6@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      “military grade” sounds way cooler to idiots than “commercial grade”

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      • Lupo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I only get military grade dish soap

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    • someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Private buyers can choose from any number of manufacturers. Military is always the lowest bidder.

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• cobysev@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Former military member here. There are a couple things at play here.

  1.) The military will outline a specific requirement for specific equipment that contractors need to meet. Requirements depend on the mission, usage, tools required, etc. so “military grade” just means “we needed a specific product to perform a specific way.” This does not mean it’s good for any use. Just that it’s what we needed in the moment for a specific job.

  2.) We are required to buy from the lowest bidder. We ask contractors to build products for us that meet the specific requirements we outlined, then compare/contrast prices. Every contractor that built our product are in the running to become our supplier for that product… if they can beat every other contractor in price.

  So how does a contractor win a government contract while still making money on the product they’re selling? By cutting corners, using cheaper materials, and ensuring the product will last just long enough to meet our requirements before breaking. The cheaper they can build it, the more money they make while also selling cheaper than all their competitors.

  So “military grade” just means it’s a cheap piece of crap that met some arbitrary request the military made for a specific tool at one time. If you want quality products, avoid military grade.

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  • AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    A joke my mum (ex-military) used to make was “There’s 3 ways to get things done: The right way, the wrong way, and the military way”

    (For people who don’t get it, the joke is that the military often does stuff in a dumbass way not because they tried to do things the right way and got it wrong, but because they value consistency and predictability much more than doing something right vs. wrong. I suppose there’s probably a logic to it on the big, zoomed out view of things, but when you’re just a grunt, the way the military works can often seem nonsensical)

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    • cobysev@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      The military is definitely all about following regulations and protocol, even if they don’t make sense.

      […] the military often does stuff in a dumbass way

      I was in the Air Force when I served, but I deployed with some Marines once. Their motto, which they repeated all the time, was, “If it’s stupid, but works… it wasn’t stupid.”

      They used this as an excuse to try very dumb ways to problem solve everything. And it led to very creative ways to do things; some of which actually worked.

      But myself and a couple other Air Force folks got a kick out of watching the Marines figuratively smash rocks together, hoping to ignite a fire.

      My favorite quote from that deployment came from one of the young Corporals in my office. He had just returned from a week-long forward mission and got stuck in an airport for 24 hours before his connecting flight.

      He said, “I was so bored, I actually read a book from cover to cover! I don’t think I’ve ever read an entire book in my life!”

      I expected that to be a joke, but instead of laughing, the rest of the Marines just solemnly nodded along. Wow.

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• Datorie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I used to volunteer for a German rescue organisation (think firefighters but for other use cases) and a common joke was “when you finish your deployment and you can only retrieve either personnel or equipment, what do you choose? Equipment, because personnel grows back after 18 years, equipment after 30”.

  So yeah, we can relate to getting shitty equipment…

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  • SpongyAneurysm@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    THW spotted.

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• saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  A budget as possible to meet the bare requirements for military use on bulk. You can consider “military grade” the baseline while most civvy items have higher quality, more feature, more comfort, etc.

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• zebidiah@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Military grade means contract went to the lowest bidder

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• Rakonat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Military grade is moniker placed on different types of gear and equipment to denote it was ‘militarized’ for use in service, or so the idea.

  For most equipment, this means it was ruggedized, or in more laymen terms extra layers of plastic, rubber or some inexpensive material to make the item more resistant to shocks, drops or other potential trauma one might expect when used by soldiers in potentially hostile environments. The catch is the companies that produce these militarized equipment sell them for 5-10x more than what they should cost.

  In the civilian world, people think military grade means top spec, latest and greatest. In the military world, military grade usually means it’s tough but it’s also a decade or more behind in tech and performance with very few exceptions. So if someone is trying to sell you military grade goods or worse, surplus, it’s guaranteed to be overpriced crap that at best is going to survive a few more bumps than what a normal, civilian version could.

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