But then kinda does it again in MGSV.
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RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Just to add some context here:
This rug pull was practically universally disliked by almost everyone that played MGS2 when it released. People that played MGS2 and liked that this happened are likely, a super turbo minority of the people that played the game at the time. Only in recent years have people said they liked it.
The negative reception was so strong that Hideo Kojima himself in interviews would go on to say that the rug pull of Raiden was his biggest mistake with MGS2, and that he would never do something like that again.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 20 hours ago
Baggie@lemmy.zip 19 hours ago
Sort of, I’d argue it’s better accomplished. I don’t hate venom, he’s basically the same character. In mgs2 people signed up for more solid snake, which was even blatantly communicated as what you were getting in the demo of the game and all marketing materials. It’s a question of expectation. Even aside from the character, the tanker chapter is leagues in quality above the rest of the game.
It’s not the I hate mgs2, I think it’s actually really neat and interesting, but when you’re doing a rug pull off that nature it’s easy for people to be disappointed.
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
But you still play as Snake. Sure, Venom Snake, not Solid Snake. But Raiden isnt Snake, hes just Raiden.
Perhaps Raiden is the reason that the MGSV protagonist is called Venom Snake and mot something else.
There were a few MGS games that released between MGS2 and MGSV, and hall of them IIRC had Snake as the protagonist.
Katana314@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Yeah, I mean MGS3 technically isn’t “Solid Snake”.
Cloning aside I’d like for major series like that to be okay with having more protagonists. It’s been one of Ace Attorney’s major issues; even when a new kid came around, he got show-stolen so much by Phoenix.
Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
I’m trying to force myself to forget about this game.
For me MGS ended with number 4. The prologue from MGSV was good but the rest of the game is just bad, without any deep and interesting story…
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
The ultimate crime of MGSV is that they cut the ending mission that directly tied it to Metal Gear Solid. Without it the game’s more a prequel to Metal Gear.
That and cutting Ground Zeroes into its own game when it was originally supposed to be a chapter in V. It should have been retroactively included.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 hours ago
How the hell would it have connected to MGS and not just Metal Gear? 🤨
paultimate14@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I liked it, but this was also the first Metal Gear game in ever played so I wasn’t as invested in Snake.
fishy@lemmy.today 8 hours ago
I played through the mgs2 demo like 20 times, I knew every detail of that boat. The swap to Raiden was jarring and he just generally wasn’t quite as likeable or cool as snake. Game was still cool as heck and fun though.