I daresay there’s a few people out there who might enjoy going into the sewers to manually remove the fatbergs, but probably not enough.
Comment on it's a matter of motivation
Micromot@piefed.social 2 months agoWhich jobs? Most of the time there are people enjoying something you wouldn’t expect
svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Soulphite@reddthat.com 2 months ago
I can’t imagine anyone enjoying being a correctional officer enough to do it for free. Or waste management (sewage).
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Why do you assume that we’d need correctional officers in a world without money?
CaptainPedantic@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Because people murder each other for reasons other than money.
Soulphite@reddthat.com 2 months ago
Oh I dunno, people are still inclined to uh probably murder and/or rape people for fun, steal things, commit any other unlawful acts society may deem against the law that doesn’t involve monetary situation. I understand money is the root of all evil but some people are evil just because.
JustEnoughDucks@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
Going into sewage vats and breaking up solidified waste and oil clogs
Deep sea oil rig repair
Underwater dam repair
Driving public transportation (not enough to maintain a system)
Elder care (there is a worldwide lack of people willing to clean up piss and shit of often angry, sometimes aggressive people and deal with regular loss for bad pay, much less in an ideal profession freedom world, relative to the amount of people needing care)
Forensic pathology is something that very very few people enjoy also, but is very needed.
Urine farmer (hunting luring, sprays for animal repellant)
Coal miner
Any precious or rare metal or stone miner
People love intellectual jobs, creative jobs, and some public service jobs. It is much much harder to find people to do body-destroying terrible-condition manual labor jobs. Ideally those are the jobs to be replaces, but of course capitalists want to replace the former category of jobs because those cut into their profits more.
CaptainPedantic@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I build rockets that go on satellites and scientific missions. I enjoy my job; I find it extremely interesting and often quite fulfilling. In the grand scheme of things, I really wouldn’t change much. But like my boss said on the first day of the job, “This job is awesome, but it’s not worth doing for free.” If you told me I could still enjoy the same level of comfort at home that my job affords me, but I wouldn’t be paid, I would quit. I’d rather be at home reading, spending time with my family, playing around with my hobbies, etc.
My wife is a nurse. She loves her job, but she wouldn’t do it for free either. Her love for the job prevents her from quitting when she’s abused by the public for 12 hours, the pay makes her come in.
Some people are motivated by enjoyment alone to do jobs for free, but many are not. Or the thing they love doesn’t help society in a meaningful way. I don’t think there’s a big enough overlap to have a functioning society.
chunes@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Roofing during the summer
Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org 2 months ago
Some yeah, but undoubtedly not enough to keep it working. For example i doubt that many people enjoy working at garbage disposable or basically any waste disposal. Of course these jobs should be fully operated by machines. Or any assistant jobs in manufacturing or jobs that operate in shifts.
waddle_dee@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Uncle worked down at city dump. He loved it. He was kind of a garbologist in a way. He was fascinated by all the things folks threw away. Retired there too. Got a job right out of high school and worked until he was 62 and retired. Dude has so many “trash” sculptures. That is to say, sculptures made out of trash. I think you’d be surprised the jobs folks enjoy doing.
FishFace@piefed.social 2 months ago
Do you think your uncle was in any way representative of the millions of people employed in waste disposal? The city of Birmingham’s bins have gone partially uncollected for over a year due to a dispute over pay. If waste disposal workers were, in general, doing it for the love of it, they’d surely be happy to do it for minimum wage.
Seems more likely your uncle was the odd one out, and most people need to be paid to do stinky work.
Micromot@piefed.social 2 months ago
I think that mostly happens because it’s a hard job and because people need money to live. If they didn’t they wouldn’t need more pay
Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
The pay argument is cause it wasn’t enough to cover necessities. If necessities were 100% covered then there’s no need to argue over pay.
waddle_dee@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Most people need to be paid to do work. Bad argument. I won’t be responding further, if this is how you argue.
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 2 months ago
Ehhh I bet you’d be wrong. Only anecdotal obviously, but at practice and games for the kids, a lot of dads just chat when there isnt much going on. A couple of them work for the local garbage company. One of them commented that he doesnt know how I stay inside and work all day, he really enjoys being outside with the trucks in the morning, then enjoying the afternoon outside with the kids. Another one is a mechanic for them, he always thought the trucks were cool, and he still enjoys working on them (though he will 100% tell you, in great detail, which manufacturers suck for various parts). Haven’t talked much with the last one about work, I think he is the only one just straight up doing it for money though.
And who knows, maybe the guy who likes being outside says that to be positive about his choices in life, but I see him at the park with the kids a lot, I’ve run into him heading out to the trails on his mountain bike, etc, so I believe him that he’s perfectly happy doing it.
Automation for unwanted tasks is great though, I agree, and where automation should be focused.
blarghly@lemmy.world 2 months ago
He could be taking the local kids out for hikes in nature instead - an activity which also gets him outside, provides a benefit to society, and lets him spend time with his kid and their friends. If he didn’t get paid, do you think he would prefer picking up garbage, or going on hikes with his kid? And even if he finds picking up trash meaningful now, do you think he started the job for the money, benefits, and schedule, and then learned to appreciate the good he was doing for the community after years of doing the work?
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 2 months ago
I’m not him so I couldn’t say, but considering I know he does volunteer cleanup days at the trails, I really dont think he looks down on garbage pickup the way you and others seem to be, that its only fulfilling because of money.
Kn1ghtDigital@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
I met a guy last week who was unusually passionate about water filtration and wanted to make a business globally. People are wonderfully weird.
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
Great, and how many of those you think exist?
And how many would we need to run the global water filtration systems?
ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Would you really trust podiatrists or proctologists who were in it just for the love of the game?
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 2 months ago
Tbh I’d kind of trust them more. Even if they got off thinking of my feet later (which, who cares, have at it), they are going to put a lot more effort and get a lot more knowledge than someone just doing it for the high billing rate, dont you think? And probably care more about the quality of my arch than the guy writing a prescription for orthotics because the manufacturer just bought him a nice dinner.
Just because they are pervs doesnt mean they’d be bad at it, I’d say they’d be even better at it than most. Wouldn’t you think?
smh@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
They might not even be pervs, maybe they’re autistic and feet are their special interest.
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
On thee contrary, I don’t trust any medical profession that is in it for the money.