Comment on Nvidia Announces DLSS 5, and it adds... An AI slop filter over your game

zaphod@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• popcar2@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Not really, DLSS mostly just reduces the resolution of a game and then upscales it back up. It does a pretty good job of making the game still look (almost) exactly the same. This, however, completely changes what you’re looking at.

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  • zaphod@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    DLSS is short for Deep Learning Super Sampling, it does the upscaling using deep learning, what people also call AI. The upscaler has to be trained on images. Depending on how you train it you either get something that looks almost exactly the same as the game at a higher resolution or you get AI slop.

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    • popcar2@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m aware of how it works, but the results aren’t bad. Worst case scenario is you get some ghosting with DLSS, but it’s far from what I’d call AI slop.

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      • plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        But it literally follows the same process. Why is one slop, but not the other? You’re being hypocrital.

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    • NotSteve_@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t like AI but christ Lemmy is getting annoying lately with kneejerk “slop” claims for anything with the letters AI in it. A lot of this stuff has been used for ages and yeah, they’re leaning into the current hype but the over reaction is just ridiculous (see: the “open slop” list of open source projects that includes those that have the audacity to allow developers the ability to use AI line completion)

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    • dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      deep learning isn’t really the same thing as a large language model. People call LLMs AI.

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      • plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Llms aren’t the only type of ai….

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      • CheesyFingers@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        LLMs were (and are) marketed as “AI”.

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    • b34k@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      DLSS actually uses Machine Learning models to do the upscaling, so in fact there is no AI Slop here.

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  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Not really,

    Nvidia just calls everything DLSS…

    Like, it’s basically an anthology label at this point. If they think it’s a good idea, they call.it DLSS #

    For example DLSS 4 was frame generation, nothing to do with super sampling.

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    • zaphod@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You could call it temporal super sampling.

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  • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It does a pretty good job of making the game still look (almost) exactly the same

    Isn’t that just displaying the image with extra steps? Why is my PC using all this extra processing power in order to make it look (almost) exactly the same?

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• dan1101@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I think that’s accurate. It’s making something out of nothing, which will certainly be graphics but not necessarily exactly what the game is supposed to look like.

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• realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  No, and if that’s your opinion you don’t know what DLSS is

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• Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  While it may have used machine learning, it was definitely not in the ‘slop’ category. I generally think of slop as things with some kind of creative or human element (like the enhancements from DLSS 5), but FSR and earlier DLSS used machine learning to replace anti-aliasing like MSAA, etc., through super-sampling and temporal technologies (frame gen kinda sucked though). So, to answer your hopefully literal question, DLSS has, in the past, not been a AI slop filter.

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• Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yes, jensen huang recently tried to defend it.

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