Repairability is massive.
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IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 6 months agoI have to ask why? I can’t see any positives outside of fleet vehicles and there are plenty of negatives.
mesamunefire@lemmy.world 6 months ago
IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Aren’t EV batteries good for the life of the vehicle? Why would you want to replace one?
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You have that backwards. The vehicle is good for the life of the battery. We could design EV where the shell and motor last 30 years, and the battery just swaps out every decade or so.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
That’s already how it works
Batteries in EVs are replacable, it’s just not a quick and simple process at the moment
frezik@midwest.social 6 months ago
Very few cars now last 30 years. The US average is 12.5, which is about how long EV batteries are expected to last.
IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You have that backwards.
I don’t think so. Think of the engineering challenges. The battery would have to be a separate structure so more weight, less range/performance, more wear on tires and brakes, less rigidity unless you add even more weight, etc.
Batteries can be replaced now. It’s just a time consuming job but one that might only need doing once.
Mokopa@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Can’t tell if this is a serious comment or not… Sure a battery will last as long as the car, but it’s of limited use of it only holds 30% of its original capacity after 7 or 8 years. Sure. It’ll do 75 miles, so still useful for city drivers, but not for its intended use.
frezik@midwest.social 6 months ago
EV batteries lose about 1-2‰ per year. At the high end, that would be down to 78% after 10 years. A 300mi EV would still do 230mi.
mesamunefire@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yep! Thats about what I think. I will not buy a car that are like most modern day cell phones. If the battery dies, I want to be able to replace it. Even better if there is a easy charging station like the above and giving the consumer more options.
mesamunefire@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Nope! They are not.
xionzui@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I don’t think that’s a fair statement in relation to EV batteries. Most of them are proving to last well over 10 years.
dustyData@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I find this kind of comments so stupid. The technology is well beyond proven. Logistics have had swappable batteries for over 15 years since the time of acid batteries. Nio is a rental company first and for them the model seems to be working. It’s compelling for road trips specially since most of the charging stations are broken most of the time and for extremely dense cities where people aren’t allowed to access power plugs at parking spaces. I mean, on the suburbanite hellscape, charging at home will always make more sense, but the US is not the entirety of the world. This things seem to be ripe for success in Asia and Europe.
KevonLooney@lemm.ee 6 months ago
It’s compelling for road trips specially since most of the charging stations are broken most of the time
Do you think the battery swap station won’t be broken too?
dustyData@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Sure it can be broken, but since the company runs it and it’s not a set and forget facility, they have a higher incentive to keep it serviced, specially as the company owns the batteries. Tesla’s answer to broken stations is usually “we don’t care use the one next to it that’s derated and only charges at the lowest speed”. While apparently this facilities can fit 3 or 4 swap stations on the same space. One station out of order adds no wait time, and as a last resort it can still have a regular charging station next to it. I fail to see how people settle so quickly on the status quo that companies force them to, and as soon as anything vaguely threatens the status quo they purportedly hate, they jump and attack the alternative. Having options is a good thing, having multiple companies trying different things is a good thing, silver bullets don’t exist, we are all in this together, what is not good is a zero-sum mindset where only monopolistic one-size-fits-all offers can exist.
IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I find this kind of comments so stupid.
Nice.
That’s where I stopped reading.
Dkarma@lemmy.world 6 months ago
20 below and you can swap out the battery quickly. Can’t charge it if it’s dead.
silverbax@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Speed, for one. 5 minutes vs 30 minutes to an hour to be fully charged. Makes a big difference for road trips.
IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m not sure I agree. Lots of EVs have a 250+ mile range. I’d need a 30 minute break after driving that kind of distance.
mean_bean279@lemmy.world 6 months ago
My wife thinks I’m insane, but my whole family is built where we would drive 10+ hours (710miles~) a couple times a year with only 1 stop at mile like 500 for fuel and a snack. Otherwise we’d just keep going. Some people don’t need a break for a LOOOONNNNGGGG time when driving. Of my friend group (20th people) on road trips only 2/3 need stops every so often. Even my wife has adjusted to my driving nature.
naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
I’d be really interested to see the results of response time testing on drives that long. You might be highly anomalous but most people begin to suffer significant attention and reaction penalties after around an hour that get steadily worse.
I know that when I try do multitask testing (a significant part of driving) after 2 hours of continuous driving my results are like 50% of freshly rested. I’d be surprised if you were anywhere capable of navigating an emergency reliably after 4 hours.
Dkarma@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Lol I just drove 14 hours one way for thxgiving. Waiting 30+ min every 250 miles is a deal breaker… I can gas and piss in less than ten min once every 400 miles. You’d add like 5 hours to that drive at least. Just waiting for charges.
mosiacmango@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I mean, you just drove, 800 miles in one day? Youre an extreme outlier, seeing as most people drive around 40.
Assumeing 3 stops, you already waited around 30 min on that trip, but youre saying 90 makes it impossible for you? That extra 1hr makes your 14hr one way trip untenable when you do it once a year? That 15 is the dealbreaker over a 14?
capital@lemmy.world 6 months ago
People don’t want to hear stuff like that but it is a real disadvantage.
And I own an EV.
Wrench@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I don’t know why you’d trust a giant battery, absolutely vital to the operation of your car, to some random 3rd party service. To be arbitrarily replaced. And need to rely on it for X miles. Particularly when your use case where you’d even want a quick swap is traveling outside a regular charges’ range.
snekerpimp@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Only in this instance it’s not a third party, it’s the car manufacturer. It’s just like Tesla and their super chargers. Only these guys are replacing the battery instead of charging it.
Wrench@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Uh. It’s literally a 3rd party company that’s currently doing a single manufacturer atm, with explicitly (detailed in the video) plans to expand to other manufacturers.
For how much people seem to know about catalytic converter theft, they seem eager to have an easily removed battery. And full trust in no bad actors finding a way to exploit these stations for the metals in the batteries.
IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Does the car warranty extend to cover the replacement battery just as if it was the original battery? Given an EV battery is a pretty significant part of the cost of the entire vehicle I wouldn’t trust a swapped battery unless the manufacturer made it very clear that they would treat it as if it was the original battery if any issues arose with it. The last thing I would want is to have to fight with Tesla or whoever if the replacement battery fails and they claim it’s not covered by their warranty.