That would be a weird thing to say indeed. No one’s saying that though.
Comment on the two party system is just one big party
realitista@lemmus.org 10 hours ago
I used to think this way in the '90s. But anyone today who can look at Trump and say he’s the same as the Dems is fucking delusional.
wpb@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
My guy, that is the meaning of the meme in the post.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 hours ago
Are you new here?
bearboiblake@pawb.social 10 hours ago
It’s not that they’re identical, or that they share 100% of the same policies, they do have differences, but democrats still supported genocide in Gaza, they supported intervention in Iran, they support US imperialism, and most importantly, they’re bought and owned by the ruling class, so they will never address the underlying material conditions which cause fascism to take root. Trump is terrible, but the democrats made a Trump inevitable. We need real change to prevent fascism in the future. Continuing to vote blue no matter who makes everything worse.
realitista@lemmus.org 10 hours ago
I voted 3rd party for 20 years, but I stopped when Trump came to power. It’s not a 10% difference any more. It’s the difference between living in a free and democratic country and living in a fascist dictatorship.
nialv7@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I don’t think OP was suggesting voting third party… America hasn’t had a democracy that works for the majority of the people, for a very long time. The ruling class is not going to let you change the system. Time to think differently.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Sure, but if you genuinely believe this, then you need to be in the streets, breaking the law, and overthrowing the establishment. I’ve got mad respect for people who are willing to do that. I’ve got respect for people who are willing to vote to keep trump and other far right fascists out of power. I’ve got no respect for someone who doesn’t vote, or votes 3rd party when literally everything is on the line, and then grandstands about it on the internet like they are fucking hero. Those morons risked everything for a chance to gain nothing, and the rest of us are stuck with the results of their 20 IQ bet.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 10 hours ago
The US has never been free nor democratic
KindnessisPunk@piefed.ca 8 hours ago
This is not useful. You again dodged their meaning and avoided engaging. No where is completely free and the road between democracy and fascism is spectrum. They obviously articulated that this administration is stripping away freedoms.
lemonwood@lemmy.ml 9 hours ago
If Dems were in power now, they’d do fascism too. The economic contradictions have simply increased to a point where fascism is necessary for capitalism to remain profitable for the ultra rich.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
I mean maybe, but well never know for sure because Americans voted for the people who outright stated “get in loser we’re going fascist”
Fedizen@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Same
Hubi@feddit.org 7 hours ago
You need to have a foothold somewhere to stop this slide into dictatorship and your only chance to get it is a democratic leadership. You will never see change in the US if you think that it has to be 100 or nothing. It’s not a single issue thing. This whole discussion is absolutely maddening from an outside perspective.
wpb@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
So, I hate to be that guy, but the dems get a chance every 4 years or so, and yet here we are. It seems that the democratic leaderships of the past haven’t really prevented the slow and continuous slide to fascism. And please do note that every dem president and candidate is more right wing than the previous ones. They’re sliding too.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 7 hours ago
I think a democratic leadership might be able to arrest the slide towards a dictatorship, but the chance of that is quite low - it would require a socialist to win the democratic nomination, and I just don’t see that happening. Anything less than a socialist would inadequately address the underlying material conditions which foment fascism, so there would be four years of neoliberalism or social democracy or whatever, another four years of worsening conditions among the working class - thereafter, the authoritarian dictatorship would come into power.
I think the best way - probably, the only way - to prevent dictatorship would be for the working class to continue organizing and building a people-led direct action movement, like the Black Panther Party did.
Hubi@feddit.org 4 hours ago
Except there is no chance of this happening once the republicans have fully established their totalitarian regime.
Katana314@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
This criticism is fixed by primaries, not the vote in the general election. This comic is criticizing the latter act. South Park is right about that one.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Idk when one guy is saying he’ll suspend the constitution and the media is lockstep behind gaslighting everyone about project 2025, I think you should be asking yourself why the billionaire owned media is almost entirely siding with republicans.
DagwoodIII@piefed.social 5 hours ago
So, no difference between one genocide and WW3?
wpb@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
He’s not saying that.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 5 hours ago
Re-read my comment, concentrate, and try again
DagwoodIII@piefed.social 4 hours ago
. Continuing to vote blue no matter who makes everything worse.
Jimmy Carter put solar panels on the White House in 1976. Every Dem candidate since Jimmy has been close to him politically.
Back in 1976 people were being told not to vote for Carter because he wasn’t strongly against the racist South African regime.
People like that were wrong then and you’re wrong now. “Not perfect” is much better than “truly evil.”