*when you live your whole life under the effect of unilateral sanctions, designed specifically to punish civilians living their life in order to create political change (aka terrorism)
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Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 day agothe way my Iranian friends have put it as they celebrate the death of the head of the regime and brace themselves for the impact of the new regime is that when you live under opression all your live, you learn to celebrate the small stuff, even as you know what’s coming will also be bad
flamingleg@lemmy.ml 18 hours ago
umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
your “iranian friends” are pretty stupid for celebrating a war against themselves.
treesquid@lemmy.world 1 day ago
There’s already a war against them by their own government that’s killed over 30,000 Iranians since late December. Civilians are being slaughtered either way, but this way means that maybe the Ayatollahs won’t be in power at the end.
Lucelu2@lemmy.zip 7 hours ago
Have you not learned from Iraq? There is always another mullah. Al Quida was replaced by ISIS. WTF are we involved with the ME anymore? I mean, all those ME nations bombed by Iran, who encouraged the US to enter this (besides our welfare state Israel), well where are their fucking militaries? I guess they paid the Trump family off and felt they had hired their military of the US so our sons and daughters can die for those MFs. Need I remind people we send Israel over 3.8 Billion every year from our tax dollars? so… USAID and VOA does not deserve our few millions but Benji gets the billions and more in crisis and now American deaths. For those that cite 19 fucking 79 hostages… understand, our enlisted were not even born yet. They have no memory of that. Also… most were not even born by 1983 either. And the fact is, the federal military policy allowed that shit to happen.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
why would anyone celebrate this at all is my question.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 20 hours ago
Oh look, an ML user standing up for a dictatorship.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 18 hours ago
the only dictatorship here is the us empire.
Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 day ago
i will not tell them how to think or feel. the old regime killed their families. the new regime will likely finish the job. iran, israel, the united states. none are working or fighting on behalf of the Iranian people. i will help them as they work to survive, but i will not moralize to them that they’re wrong to feel how they feel about things that impact them directly
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 day ago
especially considering that over 100 schoolgirls were murdered in the process.
if a bomb killed 150 children and also took out Trump, I wouldn’t celebrate it
Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The deaths of children will forever prevent america from being a hero here. So we’ve just created a new enemy, likely a more cunning one than the last.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 day ago
that’s the point. make sure there are always people who hate America with all their soul. so there’s always a justification for the US to be a military state.
veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I would celebrate Trump death but not the 150 children. Gotta learn to compartimentalize and all that, in a complex world.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 day ago
you shouldn’t compartmentalize that operation Epstein has slaughtered 150 schoolgirls. you should be furious.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
By this logic, then no one should celebrate the death of a serial murder if they are killed by a rapist.
One bad person is dead. That’s good no matter how you cut it. Just cause the shit isnt over and there’s still bad people doesn’t mean we arnt happy things have improved.
If you only ever settle for perfection then you might as well just let the pedos go uncontested. Cause you can’t stop all of them in one go.
Lucelu2@lemmy.zip 7 hours ago
He was going to die anyway. Why spend blood and treasure to murder a man who is 86 with a cancer diagnosis? Is critical thinking absent in our Pentagon? Yeah, lets get rid of this mullah… there are over a hundred other mullahs to take over for him. This is an established regime that has been in place for 50 years. 1 in 8 citizens in Iran work for the government… over 94 million population.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 23 hours ago
one bad person mostly westerners hate is dead, but now the biggest imperialist force is directly bombing, and want to regime change them.
this is not like it’s kissinger dying of old age, or mussolini being lynched. this is fucking war.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 day ago
regardless of regime changes, nothing good comes from American interventions
Electricd@lemmybefree.net 7 hours ago
I mean, it put back the progress on an even more terrorist regime getting nuclear weapons
Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 day ago
in the grand scale absolutely. nothing ever good comes from foreign interventions. a people must be given the tools to liberate themselves rather than have it decided for them what is best
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 day ago
the US doesn’t want to liberate jack shit, they just want a puppet state
Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 day ago
exactly
in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
So long as they don’t democratically elect a socialist. Otherwise they’re getting a Western-backed far-right dictator forced on them instead to “prove socialism doesn’t work.”
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Hey, spoiler alert!
Avicenna@programming.dev 22 hours ago
I mean this regime is a continuation of a regime change that was also installed by US and UK about 40 years ago. And more recently in any place where US has been involved in a regime change (Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt and Syria among others), the country is left to the mercy of religious cults or warlords after a great proportion of civilian infrastructure is bombed out of existence.
So yeah, I agree.
teslekova@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
You got the timeline wrong there. The US installed the Shah in the 50s, after destroying Iran’s democratic leftist government. Then in the 70s, the Iranian people rose up and removed the Shah. Almost immediately, though, the revolution was hijacked by fundamentalist clerics.
When the revolutionary government was put under pressure by an invasion from Saddam Hussein on behalf of George Bush Snr, which killed millions, that allowed the Revolutionary Guard to consolidate power, and become the brutally repressive government we see today.
Avicenna@programming.dev 5 hours ago
thanks updated, when I say sth is X years ago I generally start counting from 2000 lol.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Imagine your neighbor is an abuser who beats his wife and children, and you want to help them. so you kick their door, beat the husband, beat the wife, kill one of the kids, and set their house on fire.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
“I’m going to live here for awhile to keep you all free. I hope that doesn’t cause any tension.”