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20cello@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
To those who’ve down voted this,why if I may ask? Genuinely curious
Russian bombs are bad not because of the flag, but because they consistently target civilians indiscriminately. Plus the whole invading a neighbor, murdering the people and stealing the land.
Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn’t go as far.
Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn’t go as far.
Genuinely not defending Russia here, but Dubya’s pretext for invading Iraq and Afghanistan was if anything even flimsier than the “justification” for the Ukraine invasion.
The estimates I’ve seen are 300.000 killed in Iraq. There’s more Russians killed alone than that, let alone Ukrainian military and civilian casualties…
Just 15172 civilian killed in Ukraine, according to UN, though. About 40k injured. That’s the lower estimate, yes, but, in comparison, the USA has committed more than 100k confirmed civilians kills in just Iraq alone.
Ok, some in Yemen and Somalia too, but Wikipedia claims the cost of life of the gwot was 4.5 million, and I’ve seen credible estimates as high as 6.
and that war killed way more people, civilians and not.
No it fucking didn’t.
You can just look up the numbers. 400k civilians directly killed, on the low end, millions more dead from famine and displacement. Versus like 15-20k in Ukraine
Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn’t go as far.
Any point you might’ve had about land acquisition, separatism, or imperialism, is pretty hard invalidated by this comparison. Like, why add Bush as a qualifier?
Russian bombs are bad not because of the flag, but because they consistently target civilians indiscriminately
Bush, even that war criminal didn’t go as far
Could you provide us what numeric estimates you’re using for both conflicts?
I didn’t, but I’m assuming they just haven’t heard anyone say that it’s good to be nuked by NATO.
i constantly hear people saying nato is justified on shit they do.
There is only one country that has ever nuked another, and NATO didn’t exist back then.
Photonic@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Because it’s short sided and ridiculous. Yes Russia bombs are bad, yes some NATO bombs are necessary but many are also bad, some Israeli bombs may have been necessary in the past but are now overwhelmingly bad.
This is dumb “tankie” talk that tries to push people into corners that are comfortable for the OP so that they don’t have to use their brain and think about whether people’s world views may be more complex and (eep!) sometimes more well-thought of than their own simplistic view of “NATO bad - Communism good”.
And lastly, as many posts on here, it simply reeks of anti-western propaganda.
Peehole@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
But this is literally how western media and leaders are portraying this. All bombs are bad, NATO or Russia or China or Iran or Israel I don’t care. And fuck Israeli bombs in particular where and why would bombs by a colonial entity committing genocide ever be necessary wtf?
Photonic@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s just American, Israeli and other (extreme) right wing media. So no, it’s not “western media” either.
But no, bombs on an actual terrorist’s head are good bombs. A bomb on Hitler’s ass (like the attempted “Valkyrie” bombing) would have been a damn near perfect bomb.
And as for the Israeli bombs – and as I told the other guy – try to read what I actually said and not what you expect to read based on your prejudices.
Peehole@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
That’s what you said and that’s why I responded to.
etuomaala@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Western media is portraying Israeli bombs as good? Who? Fox doesn’t count.
Peehole@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Are you living under a rock? Seriously
Rothe@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Because there is such a thing as self-defence. If you are getting bombed by an aggressor, then bombing them back is a necessary thing. This moronic meme doesn’t take that into account.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Lol Israeli and NATO bombs were necessary? Man, may God forgive you for your lack of humanity and overall ignorance.
Photonic@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Try to read the sentence again. Slowly.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
But I did and you’re just pushing Western imperialist propaganda, what’s going on here?
kilgore_trout@feddit.it 3 weeks ago
Ah yes, because you are so smart and everyone who calls you out is stupid.
mrbutterscotch@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
I mean I can’t speak for the other person, but I find Nato Bombs and munitions killing russian fascists very necessary.
sunglocto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Dirty zionist pig
Photonic@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Communism good, anything else: Zionist pig.
It must be bliss to live with such a simplistic world view. Or is papa Putin paying you?
Riverside@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
“Some Israeli bombs have been necessary in the past” implies support for the genocidal Zionist entity, you’re literally defending the zios
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
{🐷| ? ? ? } the hell did I do?
kilgore_trout@feddit.it 3 weeks ago
It’s a shitposting community. It’s irony.
With statements like this:
it seems that you are the deranged one.
Photonic@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
How so? And please finish the quote and not just the part that you need to make a disingenuous statement.
wpb@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There is not a single good bomb thrown by Israel in history, just like Russia hasn’t thrown a good bomb in the history of the Ukraine conflict. The reasoning is exactly the same. Israel, like Russia, is the aggressor, the occupier in this conflict, since its very inception. It’s very clear from your comments that you don’t read history, and it would serve you well to be less confident about the things you clearly don’t really know about.
Photonic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“Bla bla bla, hurrdurr you clearly don’t read history, look at me, smarter than anyone!” *Beats chest like a fucking gorilla
That is what you sound like.
I am very well aware of the history. The issue here is that you just can’t wrap your head around the fact that there are actual terrorists that threaten actual, innocent (yes Israeli) people. People who didn’t choose to be born in Israel, kids, teenagers at a music festival.
Good bombs can be thrown by bad regimes. Until you can wrap your head around that one there is indeed no point in arguing. Not because I don’t know about things, but because you don’t. Stop trying to sound smart because your black and white views are anything but. See you around, gorilla boy.
wpb@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You know what bombs do? They kill people, indiscriminately, especially when you throw them on desnsely populated civilian centers that you’ve driven 100s of thousands of refugees into. What are you going to tell me next, “muh human shields”? Fuck off.
clot27@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Photonic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sure Ivan
Strider@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Short-sighted.
Sorry.
Photonic@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That’s a rather short comment and I don’t know what it means. And I also don’t know what you’re apologising for. Care to elaborate?
smol_beans@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I wonder why some people push “anti-western propaganda”
Maybe it’s because the west keeps doing deplorable things.
Photonic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“The west” does do deplorable things but the rest is no better. Don’t fool yourself.
And even then: report what happened, stick to the facts and don’t make propaganda.
smol_beans@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This isn’t a news comm it’s shitpost
Gigasser@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s alot of assumption from a meme.
Photonic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Maybe you should have a look at OP’s post history.
I think I’m pretty accurate in my analysis ;)
starik@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
It’s nice to see that Lemmy is still about 2/3 sane people, based on the upvote/downvote ratio here.