I hate this trope, such unoriginal writing
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balderdash9@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
lena@gregtech.eu 2 months ago
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s Cold War propaganda.
KombatWombat@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Tropes can easily become cliches if done poorly, but in essence they’re just common concepts in storytelling. The idea of having a protagonist struggling with finding what lines they won’t cross, and accepting what consequences result, can make for a really compelling internal conflict. And having a no-kill rule is often a practical one for longer series in particular.
Imagine if Batman’s rogue gallery couldn’t be re-used unless the writers had them always be able to get away when their plans are foiled. When Batman instead sends them to jail, they can be shelved for a while without making Batman look very selectively incompetent at actually catching criminals. Instead, it’s justified as a principle that he upholds, while giving the writer opportunities to also show character growth for villains. And if you argue he should focus on the greater good by permanently eliminating threats, then it can be viewed as a character flaw that gives him depth.
s@piefed.world 2 months ago
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
He’s interacted with the trolly, now he’s responsible for the one death and must be punished accordingly
Enkrod@feddit.org 2 months ago
True, the guy who killed Hitler was basically Hitler himself.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 months ago
The good version of this is in Transformers One.
spoilers
Orion Pax and D-16 just lead a revolution to overthrow the state, and are deciding what to do with the old head of state. D-16 wants to kill him and burn this motherfucker to the ground. But Orion reminds him that they’re creating a new government with their actions right now, and they need to embody the principles they want to see. D-16 doesn’t want to hear it because he’s angry. Orion gets in the way, and D-16 shoots him.
And that’s how Orion Pax gets the Matrix of Leadership and becomes Optimus Prime. By thinking about the future and what sort of world his actions are creating.
Schmoo@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
It’s the difference between defense and vengeance. In Transformers One they had already defeated the big bad and had the support of the other transformers, so killing him then was an unnecessary act of revenge. It’s different when you’re still fighting and the big bad’s death could make a difference in the outcome.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 2 months ago
The realest problem is that 70% of the population want their version of the Fire Empire/Quintessons (Zionism). How do you deal with Earth Nation Oppression and Fire Nation Oppression (Democrats vs Republican Nazis)?
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s okay. Become the monster so that they can feel the same fear for its safety as the rest of us. Force the empathy.
Saapas@piefed.zip 2 months ago
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Fucked
Signtist@bookwyr.me 2 months ago
There’s a reason it’s pushed so hard, and it’s because people in power don’t want to lose the golden goose that is American apathy. They can oppress us as much as they want, and we think having the moral superiority of taking it on the cheek makes us strong. It doesn’t.