Comment on Jragon

starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• force@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  American English phonology, GenAm /r/ is usually pronounced retracted, post-alveolar/pre-palatal (usually bunched/molar), so it causes alveolar consonants in the same cluster to retract/palatalize, usually into a post-alveolar affricate ([d͡ʒ] – the “j” sound for voiced stop /d/, [t͡ʃ] – the “ch” sound for voiceless stop /t/, [ʃ] – the “sh” sound for voiceless fricative /s/), [. The term would be assimilation (of place of articulation).

  “Dragon” /dræ.gən/ -> [dɹ̠ᶹæ.ɡɪ̈n] -> [d̠ʒɹ̠æ.ɡ(ɪ̈)n]

  You can see the same thing with words like “tree” /tri/ -> [t̠ʃɹ̠i], “Sri Lanka” /sri lɑŋ.kə/ -> [ʃɹ̠i lɑŋ.kə], or even “street” /strit/ -> [ʃt̠ɹ̠it]

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  • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Okay, I think I get it. When I say “dr-” the r is made with the tip of my tongue just behind my front teeth, but when I say “jr-” (like in badger), the r is made with the middle of my tounge in the middle of my mouth. Neat!

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  • TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I love seeing linguists on Lemmy. Wish we had a bigger community.

    To put it in layman’s terms just focus on explaining that J is often [d͡ʒ] which already has a D sound in it.

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  • dodgy_bagel@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Hey there now. We aint knowing any of your elvish. Best keep that to yourself, ya understand?

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  • funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    you’ve written tree as “tshree” there.

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    • force@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Many dialects, indeed, pronounce “tree” as something one might perceive as “chree”.

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      • Kase@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Aw crap, that’s how I pronounce it. Now I can’t unhear it

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• bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Gragon

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  • hakunawazo@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Don’t start the gif/jif wars again.

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    • Takios@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s clearly yif

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• Sagifurius@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m thinking it’s a regional thing and this guy is from my general region, it’s totally a thing out here. The letter “T” is really only useful on paper, people use “D” when they speak for the most part for “T” (except for T’s followed by an “h”), and “J” is any “D” when followed by an “r”

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  • Kase@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Haha same here. And to add onto the Luthor bit, everyone I know pronounces “-or” and “-er” words as “-ir”. Pretty much everybody agrees it sounds stupid, but nobody has the power to stop it.

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    • Sagifurius@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I mean, we don’t think it sounds stupid, it’s just normal. I’d not have noticed if i hadn’t spent so long abroad, where people though my accent was peculiar, and later laughed often when they’d hear my voice revert halfway through overheard phone calls home.

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• KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I sort of roll the bounce of the “d” in “j” into the r

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• isthingoneventhis@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Pretend like you’re french: j’ragon. It’s the second G in garage or however you would say au jou sauce.

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  • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    In most Americans accents I think “Dragon” and “Jragon” would be indistinguishable.

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    • peopleproblems@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I was so fucking confused until I tried saying it out loud. I’m so startled and impressed

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      • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yeah if I slow down and pronounce it with intention, they’re different. In normal speech though, it’s basically “jragon”

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    • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I grew up in the Appalachian and it isn’t the same in my accent.

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    • isthingoneventhis@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Absolutely not. Am American, so I’m gonna go on a limb and assume most of my friends would also probably pronounce it similarly.

      The way you say Jra-gon and Dra-gon is completely different in most accents on the West coast. I’m very confident in that.

      I think the Midwest would probably say it pretty samsues because they’re not emphasizing the first letter: jRa-gun / dRa-gun or jra-Gn / dra-Gn. Probably gets lost in the sauce a little.

      Idk about East Coast, but tbh it probably is closer to Midwesterners dropping consonants and shit so who knows.

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      • ARxtwo@lemmy.one ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        West-coaster here. They’re definitely two completely different pronunciations.

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      • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’m a Midwesterner living on the east coast so that’s entirely possible.

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  • TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    French would be like /ʒragon/ and English would be /dʒragon/

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    • isthingoneventhis@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It was more like “french” how Americans think french is, sadly not actual french. It was to overemphasize the starting sound, since sometimes it’s hard to isolate sounds and move them around like that (mouth position wise) when you don’t commonly have other words that start with those sounds.

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• PilferJynx@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Jereggin for sure

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• altima_neo@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I didn’t think so either till I pronounced it out loud. WTF is going on?

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