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• NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Maybe it's not enough for them to buy a new car? I mean it's 6 years old; I'm pretty sure Tesla was the only player in the EV scene back then.

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  • Asetru@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m pretty sure Tesla was the only player in the EV scene back then.

    Absolutely not.

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    I bought a BEV back then. It was a VW Golf. Still driving it. The leaf, eNiro and i3 were contenders for me.

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    • domi@lemmy.secnd.me ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I bought a Model 3 SR+ in 2019 because it was pretty much the only decent option, also still driving it.

      BYD and other Chinese brands were not available here yet and German manufacturers were asleep at the wheel.

      The best coming out of Germany at that time were repurposed chassis from ICE cars, with all the flaws that brings. The Leaf lacked water cooling on the batteries.

      The best alternative at that time was a classic Hyundai Ioniq but it had a 28 kWh battery where as the Model 3 SR+ had a 52 kWh battery for 10.000€ more.

      Since you own an e-Golf, just to put some numbers on this. (e-Golf left, Model 3 SR+ right)

      • Efficiency: 168 Wh/km vs 146 Wh/km
      • Battery: 32 kWh vs 52 kWh
      • Fast charging: 39 kW vs 105 kW (later patched to 170 kW peak)
      • Acceleration: 9.6s vs 5.6s 0-100
      • Weight: 1615 kg vs 1700 kg
      • Price: 32.000€ vs 45.000€
      • Charger network: Whatever ionity was doing vs Superchargers

      ev-database.org/car/1087/Volkswagen-e-Golf

      ev-database.org/…/Tesla-Model-3-Standard-Range-Pl…

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      • Asetru@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Well, none of what you say is wrong. It’s just not the point. There were other options besides tesla - and while they were different (e.g. I’m well aware of the small golf battery), they were there.

        You say that for you it was the only decent option. Fine. But not the point. Maybe your usage profile warranted what tesla offered. But “Tesla was the only player in the EV scene back then” is just wrong. That’s all I said.

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    • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      not sure where that data comes from , but Nissan has sold over 700,000 leaves.

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      • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I also call the team the Toronto Maple Leaves.

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  • PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s when I bought mine, and it was either get a Model 3 with ~270 miles of range or a Nissan Leaf or a tiny BMW iQ, both with like 80.

    For the record, if the software updates stopped where they’re at today, I’d be fine with how the car functions until the end of its life. In fact, I kinda wish they’d just leave things alone at this point because I don’t want any extra features out of the thing.

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    • MalReynolds@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      For the record, if the software updates stopped where they’re at today, I’d be fine with how the car functions until the end of its life. In fact, I kinda wish they’d just leave things alone at this point because I don’t want any extra features out of the thing.

      And therein lies the rub, you don’t get to choose, the corpo does and you have to trust them (you do trust them, don’t you?). Pretty much like you’re renting, not owning. As the article points out this is similar to phone ’ownership’, hopefully in the fullness of time there will be a GrapheneOS equivalent for cars…

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    • Vodulas@beehaw.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There were other options that just weren’t well advertised/known. KIA Niro/Hyundai Kona, Chevy Bolt, and Jaguar I-Pace all existed in 2019 in addition to the 2 you mentioned.

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      • PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Oh yeah, I do remember looking at those too, but iirc they were all still at a significant range disadvantage compared to the model 3. Dunno about now, though.

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      • Pandantic@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I had a Bolt. We made Chevy buy it back because some had been exploding/catching fire and they were advising us not to leave it unsupervised while charging and to park at least 50 feet away from buildings and cars. I loved my Bolt and wished we could have kept it, but that all seemed unreasonable, and I didn’t want to have the potential of my house catching on fire because I needed to charge it overnight.

        After that, I bought a Tesla. Downvote me if you want, but it was the next best option.

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    • Sxan@piefed.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      My in-laws have one from about the same time, pre-X. As I understood, you could turn off software updates?

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  • GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I have a 2017 Leaf. It absolutely has its drawbacks compared to most modern cars, but it did exist 6 years ago.

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  • Hoimo@ani.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    6 years is post-cave diver. He bought it after Elon went crazy.

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• skarn@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  other brands don’t suffer from these issues

  Yet

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