Comment on Hollow Knight: Silksong Sparks Debate About Difficulty and Boss Runbacks

noxypaws@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• simple@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I'm guessing it's something like when you lose to a boss you have to travel a senselessly difficult and long way back to the boss to try again?

  That's exactly it. The runbacks aren't too long in this game despite all the complaints, but some of them are tricky and can get annoying if you keep dying 10 seconds into a fight.

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  • WolfLink@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    There have been several boss fights so far where I die to the path to the boss more than the boss itself and it takes way longer to get to the boss than actually beating it.

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  • socsa@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So it's basically the standard platformer formula going back three or more decades?

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    • Famko@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      More like the Dark Souls formula of having to trek through heaps of enemies and traps to get back to the boss. Including the whole “lose all of your money on death” thing.

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      • Cybersteel@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Modern from games barely have run backs anymore. Atleast in souls game you can bank your currency into stats or buy consumables, you can’t reliably do that in SS.

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    • okamiueru@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No, just those with bad level design. Nine Sols has plenty of challenging boss fights, zero run back. Same with Sekiro, and most newer titles.

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  • Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I mean, there are some really bad runbacks, but yeah most of them are fine.

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    • okamiueru@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      How is it compared to HK?

      This is the only thing I wanted to know from reviews, for whether or not to bother with Silksong. I love difficult boss fights, but cannot be arsed to spend more than half a minute doing a tedious chore in order to actually redo boss fights.

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      • faint_marble_noise@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It is slightly worse then HK.

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      • Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The worst one I’ve encountered apparently has a secret bench somewhere that makes it much better, and the second worst (the runback that I think everyone is talking about) is about as long as the runback to crystal guardian I think.

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  • YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Some of these mother fuckers never dealt with nosk and it shows.

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  • FooBarrington@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Most runbacks aren’t too bad, but fuck the Bilewater one. That shit was too hard and annoying. I had less trouble with the First Sinner than that boss.

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    • offspec@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      All the homies hate bilewater, actual dogshit even with the shortcut

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    • simple@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The devs looked at blight town from dark souls 1 and thought 'we can do worse'. It really is a nightmare but somehow I killed the boss first try in the end

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      • FooBarrington@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Lucky! I had to try more than ten times due to unlucky behavior in the waves before the boss, and finally managed to win only by using tools.

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• Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Unskippable cut scenes should be dragged into the street and shot.

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  • kossa@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Along with unpausable cutscenes. My kid will cry exactly during your 10 minute cutscene, and I want to know the story.

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• mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m guessing it’s something like when you lose to a boss you have to travel a senselessly difficult and long way back to the boss to try again?

  Exactly. Lots of bosses don’t have convenient save points nearby, so you’re forced to walk back from the save point every time. And many of the treks are either long or just outright annoying (cheesy enemies, obstacle courses, etc.)

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  • curiousaur@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Hot take here, but I don’t mind them. Exactly because they take focus. They tell me when it’s time for a break. If I’m not up for the runback, then I’m not up for aother attempt at the boss.

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    • Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Eh, make it optional. On hard difficulty make it a thing, medium difficulty allow it to be skipped.

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      • curiousaur@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Why? If you can’t get through that, you aren’t going to beat the boss.

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