Does the victim have to understand sexual assault in order for an action to be so?
How do we know that cows DON’T understand it???
Holy SHIT the speciesism on this post is RAMPANT
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Dasus@lemmy.world 1 day agoI’m with this guy.
Also I think even if they want to make the most forfecul point possible, I don’t think talking about consent is the greatest thing.
Should really impress the fact that they’re won’t produce milk unless they’ve been pregnant. So dairy cows are kept pregnant as much as possible. They live like five years then collapse of exhaustion and get carted to the slaughterhouse.
The cows my late grandma tended to in her youth lived like 20 years.
Industrial intensive farming is immoral as fuck but I can’t really pretend like the cow understands sexual assault.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
stratoscaster@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
I mean I would say they probably don’t know because they aren’t sapient, but sure.
You aren’t going to change industrialized factory farming abuse by berating and lecturing people on Lemmy. People are just going to be more annoyed by your cause. I don’t even entirely disagree with you, to be honest.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 hours ago
No, I’m not going to change my messaging. There are many other vegans both on Lemmy, on social media, and IRL that probably have different messaging than me in this one instance. Hell, I probably will have different messaging from post to post and conversation to conversation.
But in my opinion, this conversation violates my beliefs so much that I need to retaliate.
If you have something you care about, let me see how you react. “The live streamed Holocaust in Gaza right now isn’t bad because the Palestinians want this”. I’m not sure if you’re for or against Palestinian resistance, but if you take the thinking in this thread and apply it elsewhere, it’s fucking psychotic.
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 1 day ago
speciesism
😂🤡
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 hours ago
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[deleted]NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
I don’t know if I should or the one to tell you this, but the milking itself isn’t the rape they’re referring to.
Dasus@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I think it’s more about the vaginal penetration that this vegan is talking about than fondling some nipples, but the point still standard, yeah.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
How do we know cows have no conception of rape? Or no conception of when their children, right after being born, are taken away from them, never to be seen again?
Dasus@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Just like we know there’s no teacup orbiting Saturn.
Are there biological imperatives for them to protect their calves? Absolutely. That doesn’t mean they’re cognisant of “never being able to see their children again”. They don’t have a concept of “never”.
I’m willing to change my mind if you wrangle up some evidence of superintelligent bovines.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
The rape has nothing to do with the utters.
Please 🙏 do your own research here
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Its also an insult to actual rape victims to equate artificial insemination of a cow with rape. Victims aren’t propaganda to use for your agenda
Dasus@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Good point.
NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
It’s hard to express how weird a statement this is…
You’re stating cows experience no “real” suffering, which is verifiably false.
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 1 day ago
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NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
I had you tagged as “confidently incorrect” for some reason from a long time ago, so thanks for confirming that’s still valid.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Have you ever been forcefully impregnated before?
Have you even had your recent new born separated from you and made orphan?
Just because the sexual act isn’t between the same species, and because the subordinate doesn’t resist, doesn’t make it any more wrong.
And how do you know that cows DON’T resist being artificially inseminated? How do you know you can generalize?
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 1 day ago
First two questions: False equivalency, I am not livestock.
Last question: It’s interesting that you have such extreme views without seeming to know anything about it. You should probably inform yourself and learn something about dairy, before choosing an extreme and naive conviction. I know the cows do not resist because they are artificially inseminated while in estrus.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 hour ago
Your application of false equivalency here just cements my idea of you. You’re egocentric and anthropocentrist, and only care about the human species for moral consideration. You’re no different to me than the fascists in power the world over that seek to dominate minority groups.
Cows have a variety of responses to being artificially inseminated. Because of this, farmers have adopted different tactics to force them to submit, whether that’s using drugs, stun guns, cages that don’t allow the cows to flee. Whether cows resist, which is possible, or they submit doesn’t matter. They are still raped at the end of the day.
If YOU know so much about the dairy industry, then you either know the answers to this debate and choose to ignore them because it makes you look bad, or you ignore the reality altogether and tell yourself bedtime stories to cope with your already existing immoral habits.