…no. forklift can lift car. Is very heavy.
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9point6@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Eh a forklift is probably less of a risk than your average American car.
jodanlime@midwest.social 5 days ago
9point6@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Yes, but often they top out at 15mph
Whatever the latest 2 tonne pickup truck is, can go 10x that speed
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 5 days ago
As a percentage, forklifts always way more incidents, and the incidents they can cause are BAD.
An F-150 isn’t gonna make a warehouse’s worth of product domino onto workers because someone leaned on the wrong lever.
Zron@lemmy.world 5 days ago
I would like to introduce you to the concept for kinetic energy. Force=Mass*Acceleration
A very heavy object moving at slow speeds can easily have the same energy or more as a lighter object going moderately fast.
Forklift accidents also typically involve unsecured loads rather than just a collision between two objects. The collision is often an instigating factor that causes a poorly secured loads to fall and injure either the driver or a passerby.
Zwiebel@feddit.org 5 days ago
Kinetic energy is ½mv², meaning it grows much quicker with speed than mass
pticrix@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
bdonvr@thelemmy.club 5 days ago
Absolutely not. I mean, kinda. There’s a LOT more room for error with cars. Forklifts will wreck a building or catapult it’s driver if they don’t know what they’re doing.
SippyCup@feddit.nl 5 days ago
I work around forklifts.
No.
By virtue of there being a lot more of them cars are killing more people, but forklifts are far more dangerous, relatively.
More car accidents happen by virtue of there being a lot more cars than forklifts. There are about 35000 forklift injuries every year in the US, 90 or so are fatal. Of roughly 800,000 forklifts in operation that gives you roughly a 4% chance for serious injury from any given forklift per year. This does not include non injury accidents which, conservatively, happen at least 10 times as frequently. That would be things like dropping a load or damaging a safety barricade.
Motor vehicle crashes, and this includes everything from minor fender benders to fatalities, are around 6 million a year. Out of 285 million cars on the road that’s about a 2% chance per vehicle.
Forklifts aren’t capable of anything quickly. Less so under load. Loads are frequently unsecured or poorly secured. Unlike a car, they’re not only interacting with the road, they’re interacting with shelving, pallets of shit, conveyors, and the people around them, and the people driving them are just as likely to be drunk or stoned as anyone on the road is.
Of the 6 forklift incidents I’ve seen in the last 5 years, 2 involved a driver who was able to pass a drug test after.
1 was an injury, that individual lost her leg below the knee. The rest were all loads being flung in new and exciting ways, in one case throwing the operator forward out of the lift. (Standing lift). In all other cases that no one was injured was purely luck that no one happened to be nearby when it happened. Our facility is on the good end of the bell curve for forklift incidents. They’re much more common in other facilities.
9point6@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Well damn, I had no idea they caused that many problems, thanks for the reply
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Thank you for representing the knowledge. During forklift training the instructor was very deliberate about teaching us that the forklift is half the size and three times the weight of a car. It has the torque to rip out limbs at idle speeds. It does not care about keeping the loads level - that’s our job.
I wish there was footage of a head on collision between a forklift and a car because then folks can see the reality of what a forklift is able to do and the industrial levels of abuse they sustain. The car will be absolutely crumpled. There are no crumple zones on a forklift. There is only the weight and structural framework for lifting a car over its head while remaining balanced the entire time.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
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freijon@lemmings.world 5 days ago
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taiyang@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Sounds like a fun base rates problem, much like when you say airplanes are much safer than cars, etc. I wonder how it breaks down by vehicle, though; 2% might be cars as a whole, but trucks vs suvs vs sedans change that up and trucks, having the highest rate of dui and accident rate (after accounting for urban density) you end up with maybe a comparable 4% rate with forklifts.
None the less, respect the forklift. They may do as many injuries per capita as an F150 but at a fraction of the speed! And in new and exciting ways!
Zorcron@lemmy.zip 5 days ago
Not to undermine your point about forklifts being more dangerous than cars (no idea personally, I don’t have any firsthand experience, only horror stories I’ve read on the internet), but I wonder if accidents/injuries per vehicle per year is the best measurement of danger considering I would assume most cars are only driven for about an hour per day, but I would assume forklifts are operated for about 8-12 hours per day.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
still less risk to the general public