Our politicians call us lazy, the rich go on TV crying because they can’t find people willing to work for minimal (or below) wage
This sounds like Germany. I think it’s the norm in many countries by now.
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Aielman15@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Italy is a joke. Our politicians call us lazy, the rich go on TV crying because they can’t find people willing to work for minimal (or below) wage, and then a young person manages to carve themselves a path outside of the ‘norm’, our state immediately shows up and curb stomps them.
I was talking with a colleague of mine the other day. They work two jobs to make a living. The state taxed them so much, they are paying more for the second job that they are gaining, basically working for free. Tax the poor, let the rich off the hook.
Fuck Italy.
rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 21 hours ago
Nikls94@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Up to 20k per year you pay 23%, from 20k to 32k you pay 25% and from 32k to 50k per year you pay 35% income tax. If my research is correct, the main job emplayer keeps the tax. So the second employer should keep those 23% as well. As long as your colleague earns less than 50k from both of his jobs, he only has to pay 12% of the second job‘s yearly income as taxes out of his own pocket.
So mathematically it should not be possible to pay to be able to work.
Unless he’s "self employed“ but then he’s allowed that employer to fist him lubeless.
Aielman15@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
It’s a bit of a complicated situation and I wouldn’t go into much detail, but basically, they live in Italy, but one of their job is (work from home) in another country. They are taxed by the other country, then taxed by Italy as well.
After that, Italy fined them on some bullshit grounds and forced them to pay a ridiculous sum of money. Needless to say, they never attempted to skirt or evade taxes or anything. They worked their ass off and the country said “fuck you in particular” because Italy.
I specifically remember them telling me that, despite being half Italian, they wanted to live in Italy because they love the country and have friends and family here, but now they don’t know what to do. It’s heartbreaking seeing how our country treats its citizens, then our politicians going on TV and lamenting the fact that young people choose to go live elsewhere. Italy as a country doesn’t see you as a citizen to protect, it just wants to squeeze you dry and leave you for dead.
Nikls94@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
They might Google some double taxation agreement between Italy and this other country. Usually, if there isn’t any, there should be a law to create a specific situation for them to avoid double taxation.
Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 17 hours ago
So it’s not taxes, it’s some unspecified fines
bassomitron@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
That really sucks, man. I fully empathize with getting fucked by a greedy government that protects the wealthy while abusing the working class. The world needs to unite against the elites destroying it.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
That’s still not how progressive tax systems work. In your example, it’s the first 20k is taxed 23%, then the next 32k is taxed 25%, then the next 50k is taxed 35%.
So if you made 52k in a year, the first 20k yields 4.6k in taxes, then the remaining 32k yields 8k in taxes. Leading to a total of 12.6k in taxes, or an effective rate of ~24.2%
TroublesomeTalker@feddit.uk 21 minutes ago
When the scores are settled sure, doesn’t mean there’s not mechanisms in any particular country that make this harder. Work two Jobs in the UK without carefully sorting PAYE and one of those will be collected at 40% emergency rates. You get it back eventually, but if you are paying transport, meals and other expenses to attend the second job I can see how it could get close to nothing. You get most of it back later, but that doesn’t help marginalized people trying to earn extra right now.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 hours ago
Perhaps I’m misreading, but I don’t think this is mathematically possible.
Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 17 hours ago
The amount of people who don’t understand how taxes work is just ridiculous.
FanciestPants@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Speaking from US perspective, our tax code is a few thousand pages. I don’t think it’s meant for most people to understand.
That said, yeah the effective tax rate being a larger percent of one’s income than the income from a second job is probably something that would be understood by most if stated differently.