It’s heteronormative if you equate topping with being dominant.
Dancing is typically heteronormative because there’s a standard (that’s enforced for competitive dancing) that the man leads and the woman follows. And you can absolutely follow this as a same sex couple by assigning femme and butch roles and having the femme follow and the butch lead. But you can also switch it up, even while dancing.
When someone talks about heteronorms it’s not about straight people. Of course toxic masculinity and ditto femininity is sad but the goal is not to reproduce that for queers, not too change what the straights are up to.
carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 hours ago
“heteronormative” doesn’t mean “it’s the fault of straight people” are you serious
if you don’t know a word, you can just look it up yknow
Deceptichum@quokk.au 18 hours ago
You're the only person here saying that.
carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 hours ago
and you’re the only one claiming ryedaft was “complaining about an entire group of people based on sexuality”
Deceptichum@quokk.au 18 hours ago
Oh please, it's clearly obvious there is nothing heteronormative about hetero people to use topping to mean something else. Peoples having a different meaning is not the same as enforcing themselves as the default, it's not even tangentially related.
papertowels@mander.xyz 17 hours ago
But does “heteronormative bullshit” imply that?
What if they’d said “I’m tired of this homosexual bullshit that glitter goes everywhere?”
That definitely reads as “I believe it’s the fault of the queer people” to me, do you believe otherwise?
LwL@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Heteronormative != heterosexual
I fail to see any issue with the post (like fucking everyone associates topping with dom that doesn’t mean it has to be, and the image works), but it’s decidedly a complaint about social norms rather than a group.
papertowels@mander.xyz 16 hours ago
I understand heteronormative to be about social norms centered around heterosexuality, and how that is the dominant cultural factor.
With that understanding, viewing things through a heteronormative lens is to exclude the views of non-heterosexual folks.
Then “heteronormative bullshit” is comparable to “heterosexual bullshit”.
I might’ve missed some nuance - this is not my forte. However my naive understanding is that saying this was commentary on “cultural norms” is similar to saying to civil war was about “states rights”. States rights to do what? (Slavery) Cultural norms centered around what? (Heterosexuality)