Comment on I've hated donald trump since day one but then I saw this and thought....

CrayonDevourer@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If you weren’t there, what you mean is you haven’t been shown any American flags in the protests.

  https://bsky.app/profile/ddayen.bsky.social/post/3lr7cw5wlas2j

  https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/immigration-protests-threaten-to-boil-over-in-los-angeles

  Anyone who thinks there needs to be more American flags at the protests is welcome to bring them along with themselves. But sitting here criticizing the people actually off their ass and trying to protect democracy and their neighbors is bullshit.

  Further, the right is literally never going to see resistance to Trump positively. Anyone who has been on the Fox News drip for the past 20 years is so unhinged that living in California is a crime to them. Asking people whose neighbors and family members have been kidnapped by the federal government to hide their heritage in their protests because it might offend people that already hate them and want them gone is ridiculous. At least if you want to keep those people as allies.

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  • CrayonDevourer@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    protect democracy

    Are they trying to protect democracy, or are they just trying to keep their family from being deported?

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    • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “Are these anti-Nazi protestors holding up a Star of David trying to protect democracy in Germany, or are they just trying to keep their family from being deported?”

      🤡

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      • CrayonDevourer@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You do know that when Germans protest against Nazis they commonly use the German flag, right? 🤡 indeed.

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    • Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      How is protesting for their family and neighbors (weird you left that one out, you don’t have to be related to someone kidnapped to protest) from having their rights guaranteed to them by the Constitution not protecting democracy?

      Also, touching a Mexican flag doesn’t actually revoke your citizenship or residency, regardless of what Fox News says.

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      • CrayonDevourer@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Also, touching a Mexican flag doesn’t actually revoke your citizenship or residency, regardless of what Fox News says.

        LOL WUT? What in earthly green fuck are you on about now? Nobody ever claimed this, so not only are you straw-manning NOT saying something, you’re ALSO straw-manning words that were never said in the first place.

        You build up being the victim because I didn’t include some special case that you wanted me to, and then pretend that I’m some righty? lol

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• Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Muh flag

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  • al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Thanks for the chuckle. the Hank hills above you won’t get it until their family is kidnapped unfortunately.

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    • LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Hank Hill is often reasonable and would likely come around. If only conservatives were actually like him.

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  • CrayonDevourer@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m saying it has everything to do with optics.

    Big angry crowds all flying Mexican flags just plays into their agenda. It looks like this isn’t Americans fighting back against ICE, it looks like it’s Mexicans fighting back against ICE IN America…

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    • Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You want me to believe anyone in this country cares about “optics” when a man in orange make up blather on about nothing live one television every single day.

      Nope, optics is just another scape goat that keeps lefties on the benches while the right is burning the constitution.

      Action > optics

      Force the rights hand. Its time.

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• spankmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Why the fuck would the protectors wave the flag of the government that is oppressing them?

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• sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Why tf would they carry an American flag at a protest. Thats stupid enough for me to assume you are a bot

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  • ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m not sure what the hostility is for. The very thing the protesters are standing up for is the correct idea of America. The flag should be for real patriots who believe in the Constitution, not Trump and his insurrectionist ilk.

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    • CrayonDevourer@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This. Exactly. Why burn the flag and fly another nations flag when you’re supposedly ‘fighting for American democracy’? It doesn’t make sense, and the optics aren’t good.

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      • Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Oh now it’s about flag burning?

        Fuck the optics. Wave the flag of our allies who are under attack in this nation, and refuse any suggestion that they are our enemies. Freedom of speech is patriotic as fuck.

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• arrow74@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You are well within your rights to protest using any flag your like. Don’t buy the bullshit.

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• Kaboom@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ve seen a couple. They were getting burned. Nothing about it helps their cause any. They’re declaring themselves enemies of America. Brain dead.

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  • Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What’s brain dead is thinking people only have a right to free speech if it fits what you think their optics should be.

    Anyone who wouldn’t support the burning of an American flag is an enemy of the US Constitution.

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    • Kaboom@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Wtf are you talking about?

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  • roguetrick@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You’ve got little concept of what their cause is. Their cause is “you’ve pushed us to the breaking point and this society is no longer worth enabling, the social contact is dead.” It’s not to make the liberals sad, it’s to hit everyone who wants to enable the system through disruption until their grievances are acknowledged. That’s always been the method of even the most peaceful of successful protest movements.

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    • Kaboom@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If you truly think that, that it’s so bad that the social contract is broken, then leave LA. Simple.

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      • roguetrick@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        “Just become a refugee if it’s so bad, don’t attempt political change. Or maybe just commit suicide.” There’s a reason nobody’s actually giving a shit that you’re not going to lend your support to them. It’s always been obvious that your types are the ones that need to feel the disruption.

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  • DrDickHandler@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    A dumbass ICE supporter in the wild.

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• ComradeMiao@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You got downvoted but you’re right

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  • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    He’s wrong by default because he fell for the LeftRightism demobilisation memes, but it is true that nearly all politicians work for the preservation of the status above all else. Those that performatively go against the grain, are tokenist politicians, like Noam Chomsky, serce the system by denouncing it. Autoflagellants.

    Now the way out of this is “Effective Action”, organized, targeted, effective not demonstrative. The demonstration is the warning before action. The proof they mean business with barely contained violence.

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• DrDickHandler@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The low IQ Republican take who aren’t smart enough to get the context.

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  • CrayonDevourer@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Haven’t voted Republican. So you missed the mark there.

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• Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That is probably a good point.

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