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magnetosphere@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

They make union dues seem like a big deal, but not unionizing will cost you even more. A union will pay for itself when they negotiate a raise.

You have much fewer guarantees on pay, benefits, and work rules without a union on your side. Amazon can, and does, change policies at will. A union keeps them in check.

Bringing complaints directly to your supervisor or manager will solve nothing, and in the process, it will get you on their shit list. Sometimes, anonymity is priceless.

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Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

You have much fewer guarantees on pay, benefits, and work rules without a union on your side.

I disagree. Without a union, I CAN GUARANTEE you’re getting screwed.

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- Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Costco.
  
  It’s not all companies that are trash. It’s just most.
  
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Kilamaos@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’m very pro union. But not all unions are good. My father’s union is so bad he might actually be losing money. They just roll over for management to fuck them, barely negotiate anything at all. Last time, they ‘negotiated’ an increase in pay, and the increase was actually SMALLER than the increase in union dues.

Oh, and they only defend the worst of the worst. Litteral thief, stealing, caught on camera, multiple times ? Well defend you tooth and nails. 'Til the management litterally had to get police involved for them to back down.

Unions in general are good. But for some specific unions, ymmv.

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- magnetosphere@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  100% agree. Some of my “favorites” are police unions, when they go to bat for obvious criminals. You or I would go to jail under the same circumstances, but those assholes don’t even get a reprimand, and still have authority over others.
  
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  - Vespair@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Unions are meant to protect the people from overpowered companies. The police union instead protects an overpowered force against the will of the people.
    
    The police unions are absolutely antithetical to the idea of unions as a whole
    
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    magnetosphere@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Good point. I made the mistake of thinking that because “union” is in the name, it’s the same thing. It most definitely is not.
    
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- Reddfugee42@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Not all anything is good. That’s not how real life works. There’s only statistics. And statistically speaking, unions are the better choice.
  
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- jimbo@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Oh, and they only defend the worst of the worst.
  
  Naw, more likely people only hear about the most dramatic examples. The every-day, my boss is picking on me stuff rarely gets much attention and is generally resolved quietly.
  
  Litteral thief, stealing, caught on camera, multiple times ? Well defend you tooth and nails. 'Til the management litterally had to get police involved for them to back down.
  
  The severity of the accusation shouldn’t disqualify someone from their union defending them. Also, for a criminal matter, why didn’t they go the police to begin with?
  
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  - Kilamaos@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    When it’s a low amount in theft, it’s more trouble involving police than just letting them go. It’s also on their record, barring them for future job and putting in legal problem
    
    So it’s better for everyone involved. Unless union want to literally defend a thief
    
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- jimbo@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  That’s because too many union members treat their union like a service being provided to them instead of something they’re providing for themselves. A union is what the members make it, and if people aren’t participating then yeah, it will probably suck.
  
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- Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Costco is (afaik) not unionized, though the company is union friendly (there may be unionized stores?). They are publicly traded. And workers are paid better than a living wage and have a bunch of benefits.
  
  The company chooses to do this despite their shareholder responsibility, and I will never shut up about it.
  
  Once you’re getting a fair shake, if the company establishes trust, you can get rid of the union. And the company can save the money they spend trying to ruin your lives on something else instead. Not all companies are trash.
  
  But most are.
  
  It’s absolutely vital for governments to promote workers’ ability to unionize and provide employees with rights to protect them from corporate greed.
  
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Son_of_dad@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
My union dues are tax deductible too where I live

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Mothra@mander.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
My area of work doesn’t have unions.

That last paragraph is absolutely true. I’ve experienced it first hand.

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- Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  make it have unions
  
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