Comment on Anon is a statistic

• Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  90 mass shootings in 101 days! At least 11 days without one, way to go USA.

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• Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I mean, most of those are gang shootings, no? Those are always a bit disingenuous to call mass shootings.

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  • TheDoozer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    So… I’m curious why you think gang shootings shouldn’t count or is a bit disingenuous to include.

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    • Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It’s disingenuous because they’re not everywhere. They’re in a specific subset of high crime areas.

      It’s a very own problem in its own right, but when including in a statistic used to represent all of America as shooting people up is what makes it a poor and often intentionally misleading statistic as compared to how safe you actually are in the average area

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      • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        and it regularly involves a specific group of people, often times doesn’t really even involve every day normal people, as opposed to a mass shooting, where the literal point is killing normal people.

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    • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      because it’s a statistical anomaly, it’s like including capital punishment in homicide numbers.

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  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    No, you’re wrong.

    Everyone that studies crimes for a living, you know, people with PhDs, who publish peer reviewed studids on mass shootings?

    Precise definitions vary somewhat, but basically, a mass shooting is any instance where 4+ people are injured or killed by gunfire, in a single, temporaly and geographically constrained event.

    Gas station robbery gone wrong? 3 people injured, one dead, by gunfire?

    That’s a mass shooting.

    Because a mass of people… got shot.

    A mass shooting related to gang activity… is a gang related mass shooting.

    It is a subset of the category ‘mass shooting’, not a completely different thing.

    You csn take that definition and apply it backward 40 , 60 years, and you will still see a massive, massive rise in the number of mass shootings in the last 20 years, number of people injured or killed by gunfire in mass shootings.

    Zoomers are about 3x more likely to personally know someone injured or killed in a mass shooting than Boomers. For Millenials, its about 2x.

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• neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  In 2022 or 2023 there was one mass shooting for every day of the year. Anon was simply in the wrong place

  One? In both years, there have been two shootings for every year according to your source. Jesus christ!

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  • rtxn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I remembered a different source. The one I linked uses a different definition for “mass shooting”: it counts events where at least four victims are dead or wounded, and includes cases of domestic violence.

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• KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  i mean, the US is also fucking huge compared to somewhere like europe, so that “wrong place” is the entire continental US.

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  • NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    There are 745 million people in Europe. Classic American exceptionalism.

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    • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      that’s actually a better argument for me ironically.

      Europe is more densely populated, among a smaller landmass (if we explicitly refer to western europe) making it MORE likely that any mass violence events hurt more random people.

      Where as the US has LESS people, across MORE space, making it even more unlikely for you to be involved in these attacks, because people are simply less likely to be in those places, at the time of the attack.

      Of course the US has disproportionately more acts of violence against other people, than somewhere like europe, but there are a variety of reasons this could be the case, but it’s questionable whether this makes you “significantly” more likely to experience an attack, considering you also spend “considerably less” time around other people in general.

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      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        You need to look at how they classify “mass shooting,” because a massive number of these are gang violence, since “mass shooting” usually means at least 4 people involved. Those tend to happen in dense cities, like Chicago or LA, not in the middle of nowhere.

        So if you’re not in the bad part of a large city and aren’t involved with any gangs, your chance of being involved in a mass shooting is incredibly rare.

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      • rtxn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        There’s also the matter of guns not being tossed around like candy at a Willy Wonka publicity tour in most of Europe.

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