Comment on Sir Gareth Southgate: Boys need role models, not gaming and porn
blackn1ght@feddit.uk 1 week agoSomeone who’s alive and real would be a good start.
Comment on Sir Gareth Southgate: Boys need role models, not gaming and porn
blackn1ght@feddit.uk 1 week agoSomeone who’s alive and real would be a good start.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 week ago
Jesus is real, and that’s a historical fact. Jesus is still alive, His resurrection and ascension was witnessed.
But that’s besides the point; who else who is “alive and real” would you suggest is a better rolemodel? Even if Jesus was fictional, He’s still a pretty good role model by what’s written about Him.
SleafordMod@feddit.uk 1 week ago
If Christianity only expected people to think that Jesus was a good role model then maybe I would be more willing to turn up at my local church. But Christianity expects a further belief: that Jesus is the son of God, which is a supernatural claim.
Personally I’m just not sure I believe the supernatural stuff.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 week ago
The major foundation of Christianity is a belief in God, basically. Without believing in God, there’s no point to being a Christian. It is kinda hard to argue though that Jesus as protrayed in the Bible is not a good role model.
Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 1 week ago
Dude’s been hiding for a while then. Probably out of embarrassment.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 week ago
The look on your face when He comes back will be hilarious
Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 1 week ago
When’s he due? I might make time to pop along and see him.
cman6@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Pretty sure Jesus (biblical Jesus) is dead
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 week ago
He rose again
cman6@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Swell. Do you have a video? Or picture? Or any kind of evidence?
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
Jesus was nailed to a cross, tortured for days then imprisoned when he didn’t die from it right away. Who did that? Conservatives. Conservatives today believe Jesus’s messages of empathy, accepting others, and helping everyone are weakness that should be stamped out. Yet they all claim “country and God”. So if Jesus exists his message is clearly dead and just used to control masses and get them to fall in line. If you want to cherish the ideology of what Jesus was originally pushed as, that’s wonderful, but just as language evolves so does “Jesus.”. He’s now a curb stomp those you are unsure about, shoot that person that looks different than me, and if you ask me for help you should be deported to a slave labor camp.
Or maybe that’s just what the majority of Christian followers in the U.S believe.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 week ago
Jesus did die right away. His lungs were collapsed, there was no way a human could survive that.
You’re right about conservatives being wrong about Jesus. I do not care what americans have warped the Gospel into, it doesn’t change what Jesus did for me. I can’t just say “Sorry Jesus, I know you were tortured and died for me, but the people you warned about claim to follow you and do awful things, so I’m going to turn down what you did to me.” That won’t make sense.
Sure, ideology does change and maybe “Christianity” cannot be synonymous with what Jesus taught anymore. Doesn’t change who Jesus is.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
Yeah, I think you’re right about the Jesus and Christianity being split. I hope you do find all the joy in the world following the original Jesus’s ideology.
whotookkarl@lemmy.world 1 week ago
He had some bangers but also some real shit takes like slaves obey your masters, faith healing, and substitutionary atonement. He’s been dead for ages and the multiple times he told his disciples the second coming would be within their lifetime never happened.
If you want better role models look at Fred Rogers Dolly Parton, Bob Ross, people that are generous and charitable without damning anyone who doesn’t agree with their religion or believe they are a divine messiah.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 week ago
Slaves obey your masters wasn’t Jesus. Also, what’s wrong with substitutionary atonement?
whotookkarl@lemmy.world 1 week ago
If I steal 20 bucks from you then I need to ask for your forgiveness, if my friend Tom forgives me it does nothing to apologize to or provide reparations for victims.
deadcatbounce@reddthat.com 1 week ago
Historical fact where?
There is absolutely no evidence of his existence anywhere. No writing about his existence. Nothing.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 week ago
That’s just flat out wrong.
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quack@lemmy.zip 1 week ago
I’m genuinely not trying to be a dick here, but citing the Bible as proof of the existence of Jesus is kind of like citing a comic as proof of the existence of Batman. No non-Christian is going to accept that evidence.