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Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Maybe to help put it in perspective for you, American Conservativism is very concerned with taking rights away from anyone who isn’t a financially stable, straight, Christian white man.
I’m not sure where a European conservative fits in the scale, and I’d love to learn if you’re willing to share, but when Americans hear conservative, our first thoughts are “Racist Nazi supporter”
ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Ouch, didn’t expect that.
I’m more traditional and well, Islamic/Muslim (I’m half European and half Arab).
However, I don’t care what anyone else does with their lives. I just live mine and that’s my business (as in why should I put my nose in someone’s else’s business).
It isn’t that I want right to be taken away, not at all. But I’d believe, if one does put hard work in it - the person can achieve it (almost always). I do also believe rights for everyone and just a specific ethnicity/race etc.
I also do believe more in the traditional family kind of thing (husband working, woman taking care of the household and both of them taking care of the children).
The thing is, I lean “centrum right” whenever - I’d official tests from my country. So, I’m curious how a non-hateful environment of conservatism is.
Do want to make a note that I genuine dislike nazism. The shit they done is awful, can’t even find the words to describe it.
skulblaka@kbin.social 11 months ago
Similar to the other poster you're replying to, I am also American, and my statement will be colored by that experience. Fair warning.
I don't think you're a bad person. And that's quite a statement, because there are a great many American conservatives that I can say with no reservations are objectively bad people. I think you teeter on the edge with the "traditional family" thing, because that's extremely often a dog whistle for people that want to exterminate LGBT and trans folks, but at least based on your statements here it doesn't seem like you're in that camp.
I think you want to look elsewhere for your community, because conservatism as a movement, as a whole cares very little about what you care about (minding one's own business, ensuring basic human rights regardless of ethnicity or other factors, personal reward for personal achievement) and cares very much about things you don't seem to be on board with (repressive religious law, disenfranchisement or even outright kidnapping and murder of LGBT, racism, defrauding voters and government offices in order to line ones own pockets, ensuring deaths of vulnerable mothers via slashing legality of birth control or abortion methods) - just to name a few.
Conservatism, as a whole, is primarily rooted around having an in-group that can be pandered to and having an out-group that can be blamed. They are largely uninterested in proper governance and entirely uninterested in human rights. Every move that is made, is made in service of consolidating power at the cost of human life. In the words of respected political scientist Francis Wilhoit, "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." This pattern can be observed over hundreds or thousands of years of human history.
If you want to find yourself on the right side of history the time is now. Leave the conservative circles behind and find one that actually espouses the ideas you care about. I doubt you'd find common ground in the sort of American Liberal circles that I find myself at home in, but there are options. There are as many political ideologies as there are people. But the more you attach yourself to one, the more they will in turn rub off on you.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I might suggest Islam focused groups. You’d probably agree with a majority of the people there, and religious communities are typically more supportive of each other than political communities.
ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
You are right - I feel bit stupid for not thinking about that. I’ll look into it.
meco03211@lemmy.world 11 months ago
What if the family has two dads? Or two moms?
ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
I honestly would not care since it is not my life. They’re happy? Good, let them be. None of my business.
It is true that my religion says it is wrong, however it is my religion. I believe in it, they don’t. So, who am I to bother them?
metaStatic@kbin.social 11 months ago
I would call that Socially liberal. Maybe, as others have already said, you should re-evaluate your political standing. You might not be as conservative as you think.
Contramuffin@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You sound like a social liberal, economic conservative.
To be clear - being socially liberal doesn’t mean that you want to be LGBTQ. It doesn’t mean that you want to be atheist. It just means that you believe other people should be allowed to be that. So you can still be Muslim and have a traditional family and still be considered socially liberal.
As for your question, that’s quite tough. American Democrats are, politically speaking, probably the closest group of people I can think of. But somehow, people think that Democrats are socialist, so your mileage may vary
siph@feddit.de 11 months ago
Do you believe that family should have all the same rights, protections and support your “traditional” family has?
SolOrion@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Well, you’re not like any conservative I’ve ever spoken with. At least not in the America sense of the word- maybe it’s different in a European context.
I tend to drop basically every political topic with anyone that actually identifies themselves that way. In my experience that is not going to lead to any kind of pleasant conversation or debate so I just don’t engage.
“Non-hateful conservative” basically reads like an oxymoron to me.
RBWells@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Wait. You want to live in a traditional family structure, or you want to impose it on everyone else?
I am in a heterosexual marriage, with many children. But I don’t think it’s the only way to live and don’t judge others for arranging their lives differently. So I am liberal/progressive.
And I personally feel lucky to be alive at all, and do not think anyone deserves anything. But the unfairness baked into the system here distorts the world. You could only be ‘conservative’ in the sense of thinking people get what they work for, in a world where everyone had the same starting line and tools. We don’t live in that world.
RBWells@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I would not describe that as conservative? The family across the street from us is like that & they strike me as more progressive. At least in the US the conservatives are not at all live and let live. It’s kind of the point, really - they believe in strictly imposed social order more than freedom.
I think looking for religious spaces on the internet might work better for what you are looking for - if living like that has improved your life & you want to share it, that makes sense. It just doesn’t make you conservative, in a political sense, which is what you will find under the label conservative. Conservative is wanting everyone to get in line and live like you.
ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
I personally prefer traditional but not impose it to others. What others do is not my concern, not my life. So, I don’t care what they do.
The entire thing for this thread was, finding a conservative place to see if I would fit without the hate it has. Whenever I do official political tests from my country, I end up “Center-right. Thus I was curious.