Oh yeah we will just keep waiting and watch them do significantly less than the bare minimum until the famines begin. Then, we will do something about it I’m sure.
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someguy3@lemmy.world 4 days agoJeez I really wonder what industry y’all work in that you think the entire fucking energy grid can be remade in 4 years.
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 4 days ago
someguy3@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Every time they run on an environmental policy, they lose. Every time they implement an environmental policy, they lose. And you’re amazed they aren’t gun ho about it? Like they just lost despite the green energy in the IRA. And Trump won with drill baby drill. Do you think Dems will run on it next time? Fuck no they won’t. They won’t touch it with 10 foot pole. They will run on “It’s the economy, stupid.” If you want environmental policy, you need to give them consistent and overwhelming victories.
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 4 days ago
Yeah so we should dismantle our political parties. They clearly don’t care about us and are willing to let us die horrible deaths. They do not serve us, they serve their donors and we put up with it for now.
someguy3@lemmy.world 4 days ago
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
call me when you get inside the whitehouse grounds.
NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 3 days ago
When has someone from the two major parties ran on environmental policy?
someguy3@lemmy.world 3 days ago
We can see the entire history.
Gore ran on environmentalism. And bam he lost the election.
So what did Obama learn? Don’t touch it. Not one bit. And he won.
Hillary said maybe now is the time, she said she’d have a map room. She declared war on climate change. And bam she lost the election.
So what did Biden learn? Don’t touch it. Don’t say one word. And he won. But Biden did green energy anyway. And what did polls say? That he was going to lose the election.
So what did Kamala learn? There is no thanks for it. Don’t run on it. It doesn’t get anything.
And what won the election? “It’s the economy, stupid”. No one is running on environmentalism for a long time.
The best we can hope for is that Dems win without running on it, and do it anyway like Biden did.
GrymEdm@lemmy.world 4 days ago
4 years? Climate scientists have been warning the world about climate change for about half a century, and urgently for a few decades. Bill Nye specifically has videos going back at least 13 years.
Don’t just blame the 2017-2021 Trump presidency either for the current high, if that is what you mean by your “reworking the energy grid/vehicles in 4 years” argument. Oil production hit it’s lowest since the 50’s under Bush Jr. then climbed again dramatically through Obama’s 2 terms. Then the Biden presidency started after a year of “low” production (that was actually higher than anything pre-2017) before climbing again steeply during the last 4 years. This is a problem of both parties, and the worst of it has happened in the last 13 years of which 9 were under a Dem president.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
wasn’t most of the fossil fuel increase under the obama admin an increase in natural gas? Rather than oil/coal, in order to replace, said infrastructure, as it’s cleaner.
MutilationWave@lemmy.world 2 days ago
May be cleaner to burn but we’re getting it by fracking which is terrible.
someguy3@lemmy.world 4 days ago
I think you’ve horribly misread what I said.
The chain is about Biden and his 4 years. People want the Dems (Biden in this case) to solve the whole literal problem in their term. In the case of Biden, it was 4 years. 2 years really when you consider he only had the House or Reps for 2 years.
Both parties? We all know the GOP isn’t going to do shit. They will do the exact opposite, actually. So it’s only Dems.
Past that I have no idea what point you’re trying to make. US oil production is not US oil usage. It was the fracking boom that increased production. As for dips, then there was the 2008 great recession and covid which changed everything for a few years each. Like you’re focused on wrong fry, small fry, and taking it out of context. Obama? Guess what Obama learned from Gore? That running on an environmental policy was a losing proposition. He focused on health care. His thanks for that was to lose the house for the next 6 years. Guess the left didn’t want anything for 6 years of his presidency.
GrymEdm@lemmy.world 4 days ago
US oil production is not US oil usage. Explain. Do you think the oil disappears or doesn’t affect climate because it’s not burned in the US? Why wouldn’t I hold US policymakers accountable for oil being produced under their watch, even if it is exported?
As for dips, then there was the 2008 great recession and covid which changed everything for a few years each. Look at the chart. The decline started in the mid-80’s, and reached the bottomed in 2005. By about 2001 it was the lowest since 1950. Years before the 2008 crash. You are right that the drop during Trump’s last year coincides with the onset of COVID, but it rises again as early as the summer of 2020. And continues unabated into Biden’s presidency and last year.
That running on an environmental policy was a losing proposition. Obama was already elected into his 2nd term when oil production started climbing quicker than ever before at the end of 2012.
Nothing I’m seeing in the data suggests that Dems were meaningfully impeding/capping oil production. You may say it’s because the environment is a losing political proposition (and you may be right). But in doing so you’re just assigning a reason fir the trends and timing that show dual-party responsibility.
someguy3@lemmy.world 4 days ago
US oil production is not US oil usage.
Explain.
… I’ve never been at a bigger loss for words.
You have a lot to learn.
Sanctus@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Remember when Reagan took the solar panels off the White House? After Jimmy Carter was talking about how important the environment is? This fight has been so much longer than that. Its been over fifty years.
someguy3@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Sigh. People are blaming Biden because he didn’t solve it in his 4 years. “We elected him why isn’t it solved?!? Protest no vote!”
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
you and me both my friend, you and me both.
People, throughout all of the cool things they have done throughout history, are also the single stupidest organism to ever fucking exist and i cannot express my rage over how stupid people can be without being banned.
So, please, random lemmy users reading this, reactionary engagement is bad, use critical thinking, and don’t use quippy retorts. They don’t actually do anything.
People just want to watch the world burn, and so do i, not because i think my version of the world is better, but because it brings me enjoyment when i get to see people suffer the results of their choices. I will do nothing to stop you, and laugh all the way down. The world is in your hands my friend, choose wisely.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Buddy. We’ve known about this problem since the 1970’s.
someguy3@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Where did I say we didn’t? Holy Lemmy never lets me down in how they misread.
The problem is everyone expects the Dems to solve it in one term. Now it’s Biden’s fault that he didn’t solve it in his one term. You know, remake the entire energy grid and turn over the entire vehicle fleet in his 4 years.
theonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
No, people expect the Dems to not exponentially make problems worse, since that’s their only function based on the last 80 years of their actions. Biden failed to do that simple function, and signed off more public lands to oil companies than trump and Bush Jr combined.
someguy3@lemmy.world 3 days ago
And this is where I wonder what industry y’all work in. To stop oil demand going up, you would have to produce not a single new ice car, not a single new gas furnace, not a single new gas water heater, not a single new gas stove, not a single new industrial use. Not a single one. To do that alone is a monumental task that takes unbelievable effort and time. Too many people think it can be done like you update code or something, y’all have no idea how big industry is. That’s just to stop it going up, not to actually reduce use. But don’t worry protest voters, we can start again in 4 years. And again don’t get me wrong, I want environmental policy. I just know what it takes.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
so you mean all the oil production that trump created, that biden kept relatively linear wasn’t good enough?
You want the dems to reverse everything the republicans do, and more? Good luck with a political campaign.