I don’t want to sound like I’m being another hater, you’ve copped a lot of unwarranted downvotes and vitriol. People not willing to discuss things is part of the problem- attacks and trying to silence people through downvotes does not contribute to discussion.
If you’re willing to keep presenting your viewpoint, I’d appreciate some clarity. I urge anyone replying to your comment to engage with thought and maturity. We all learn from opinions that aren’t aligned with ours.
My main question is around your claim that we would have to stop producing any new infrastructure that relies on oil, to prevent consumption going up. I’m not sure I agree- To use a simple example, if some industrial plant uses a diesel engine, and replaces it with a diesel engine that uses less diesel to achieve the same outcome, does that not reduce the overall consumption? Of course, this is a very simple example.
theonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
We were talking about oil production. But yes, you canlay the framework to stop all of that in four years. Because we have alternatives to all of that that are cheaper too make, cheaper to own, cheaper to run, and cheaper to maintain, save for a few specific industrial use cases and the aviation industry.
You can just update code, and switch subsidies to non fossil fuels alternatives. And stop fucking blocking Chinese imports.
We can do it. We know we can because other countries are, and are showing how ridiculously easy it is. Shockingly easy. Frustratingly easy.
But you need to want to do it, and that requires putting the environment above personal investments and greed, and no Democrat is capable of that.
Stop excusing monsters, less you become one.
someguy3@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Fair enough we can limit this to oil if you want (but I look at the whole issue). Limiting to oil means no new ICE cars. Not a single one! And we’re back to what freaking industry do you guys work in. For every car company to retool every single plant. New assembly lines, new machinery. New parts suppliers, entirely new supply chain. Can’t forget you have to engineer and test new cars before that. For mining to pick up to produce all the chemicals. More new manufacturing expansion to manufacture batteries. Don’t forget all the assembly lines and machinery for that. Electrical companies, new power plants and new power lines. Hey cities and states, get that planning and permits going. Construction is notoriously fast /s.
You guys seem to have no idea the difficulty in working with physical products at scale.
And more inb4 Lemmy’s famous misreading, yes we should do it. What I’m saying is it takes more planning, effort, and time than you can imagine.
Oh you try to attack me. Why did I bother. Ciao.
theonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
… No, it doesn’t. Xiaomi went from zero cars produced to 500,000 cars produced in under 5 years. All EVs. All without subsidization.
We can do this way faster than you oil loving freaks(since you’re already claiming I did a personal attack) would like to admit. It’s fucking easy. There’s a real reason why Americans hate China, because it’s shown the inherent lies and propaganda tied to every single belief that corporate dogs like you espouse.
You claim to want to help the environment. Stop repeating fossil fuel company lies and propaganda then. Maybe someone would take you seriously.