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• greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It’s kind of a dumb argument to begin with. Like yeah the grid is weak in a lot of areas, maybe we should strengthen the grid as people electrify their transportation.

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  • danc4498@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s like a parent telling a kids “just because”. You’re hoping that they’ll just quit asking so you don’t have to tell the truth or make something else up.

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• Beehaw_Girl@beehaw.org ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I would still like a solid answer: data centers are essential to WHO exactly? and WHY?

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  • Denvil@piefed.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Data centers are actually useful for a lot of things, handling traffic to websites, storing records, academic research, and whatnot. There’s a very good chance your medical records are distributed across various data centers.

    AI is absolutely not one of those useful things, and is a big driving factor for the rapid expansion of new data centers which are sucking up so many valuable resources for something so useless. Data centers are not bad, AI data centers are bad

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    • Beehaw_Girl@beehaw.org ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Thank you. And I would like to know what percentage of data centers are exclusively for ai, because that seems to be what’s upsetting everybody lately, that all the farmland being bought up and people’s houses being taken by eminent domain to make these data centers, all for ai? Or for all the other purposes you stated?

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  • Phantaloons@piefed.zip ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The system, to create a worldwide surveilance network.

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  • UnspecificGravity@piefed.social ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Taking tax money and giving it to rich people.

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• lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The issue is fascism vs helping people. Electric cars help the economy, data centers are being built to monitor and control you.

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  • jaybone@lemmy.zip ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Electric cars help humanity. But harm oil companies and various related industries that depend on this, and that is all tied into the stock market and other investments.

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• makeshift0546@lemmy.today ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The issue was distribution not generation.

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  • SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yup, we’ve had this discussion many times.

    That said, generation is a bit of an issue (build more renewables) and distribution was always fine as long as you charge overnight, not at peak times.

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    • makeshift0546@lemmy.today ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      And that makes this any less fake news how?

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  • gingersaffronapricat@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Do you live in an area with a functional distribution system? I don’t. Anytime a grasshopper sneezes, my area looses power for 4 days.

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• dragginupagain@lemmy.today ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  No, I don’t remember anyone saying we shouldn’t have EVs because it would require upgrading the grid. I remember people saying it would require infrastructure upgrades which is just objectively true if you want enough fast chargers.

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• PattyMcB@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  This one again?

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• Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’m bored of this post

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  • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    And I’m bored of oligarchs destroying common infrastructure.

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• GoalPostGhost@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Per MW, a single data center services far more people than e.g. EV charging per MW.

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  • Rothe@piefed.social ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Useless x 1000 is still = useless.

    It doesn’t matter how many people it services when its service is something we can easily live without, and only exists to add more billions to the wealth of billionaires. Not so much for EVs.

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    • GoalPostGhost@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Ya’ll where do you think these lemmy posts and messages exist?

      You’re creating demand yourself by using basically any online platform. Sure we could live without it, but easily?

      I know that “Data Center” has become a curse word, but please, not all data centers are AI data centers.

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  • diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Big LLMs dont add value to anyone but owner class.

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