Submitted 1 day ago by reabsorbthelight@lemmy.world to workreform@lemmy.world
With all the crazy bullshit going on, I’ve often wondered how realistic it is for people to leave the city and farm. Like going the Amish way. I have zero knowledge other than my garden, so I’m looking for more information.
Have there been any good studies or analysis of how realistic it would be to abandon modern work culture and return to farming?
Idk about studies, but we have a 10x20 garden plus numerous fruit trees, and it hardly feeds us for a few days look. We end up growing a lot of tomatoes, cucumber, and other stuff that can easily be canned like pasta/pizza sauce, salsa, pickles, jellies/jams, etc cuz we either can’t eat it all when ripe and a lot goes bad, or we eat what we can and freeze it. We also use a lot of the stuff for our pets (making food) that’s ripe but maybe not pleasant looking lol. We spent so much on a deep freezer, canning supplies, storage racks it takes a couple years to recoup the costs.
Other than that, it does feel good to be partially self-sustainable. Its also nice in the summer to walk outside and just eat stuff fresh off the vine! Plus no preservatives.
If you are interested I would recommend reading some books on permaculture. My first book was Gaias Garden which I loved. It talks about how to piecemeal increase your own sustainability starting in your own yard. It’s a great first step if this is what you want to do. Overall no one person / family / farm can stand all alone we are all interconnected
Just my two cents, but humans are social creatures and I think when we help each other we have the best chance for success. This isn’t me saying not to grow your own food as much as you’re able, but eventually everyone’s individual skills run dry and we rely on the expertise of others. If I ever need medical treatment, I’ll need a doctor, for example. Even medical professionals themselves would need a doctor depending on what’s wrong with them. Long-winded ramble all to say, farm for sustenance, but there’s nothing wrong if you need to rely on the help and expertise of others along the way.
Anyone who says they are self sufficient is lying to themselves. Communities of people can be but we all need each other
Very realistic. You can do that right now. Lost of people around the world rely on subsistence farming.
But it’s not particularly enjoyable. And you’ll still be working a lot. Plants and animals don’t take days off.
Leave animals and human slaves out of it.
Not touching the animal part, but human slaves? Im confused. Do you think farming just happens without any labor? Or do you think that working on your own farm growing food for your self is slavery? Or do you see all work as slavery?
Right, as I understand it, it’s a lifestyle choice but it does have a lot of benefits of you like the idea of having a green thumb.
Countless articles on the challenge of raising the next gen of farmers. Cost of land is the biggest. You can’t farm it for enough income to pay for the loans to buy it in the first place. This means no new entrants into the biz unless inheriting land. Family farms have either consolidated for scale or have gone fully corporate. Land banking by wealthy speculators have driven the costs up enough to kill it.
All farming is dependent on temporary foreign skilled labour and/or heavy mechanization. Making it morally and ethically challenging to operate and crazy capital intensive.
Equipment makers like John Deere are using DRM to fuck over their customers with extortionate repairs and preventing the mechanically inclined to do repairs and maintenance on your own equipment you bought.
Farming is a wide series of skills and a large body of knowledge. It is NOT like gardening. You must master soil health and ammendments, breeding/propagating (plant or animal genetics), disease management, harvesting, various forms of processing, logistics, marketing, mechanics etc.
They saying is “If you want to make a million dollars farming, start with 5 million and in a year you’ll be there.”
Farmers that are aging out are having a hard time getting their kids to inherit the farms and continue the operations. Either as a “buy it from me at a good price to fund my retirement” or as a gimme when the farmer dies. It’s a ton of work and the payback is both low margin and risky as all hell. The good years often don’t make up for the bad and after struggling with all your blood sweat and tears there is nothing leftover but accumulating debt.
Enter climate change…
Some people with money and privilege get into hobby farming or permaculture. But it is not as a career, just a hobby.
The big issue is things like healthcare. As long as your lucky and stay healthy its workable. Can even raise kids and homeschool. Theoretically insurance should fix the healthcare thing but. I assume your in the us mentioning amish. I know at one point medical education was one of the few things amish communities encouraged their members to go out and get. Just having a large community of many families is a big help with many medical issues. Help if your laid up especially at an important time. Keep in mind that is dependent on otherwise having a peaceful or isolated area. I mean farms and outlying areas are plum draft areas in russia.
AMoralNihilist@feddit.uk 4 hours ago
Have a look at permaculture for self sustainable agriculture, no need for fertilisers etc.
You’ll need probably at least half a hectare to start approach food independence. But even with that you will struggle to get the bulk. Potatoes, Jerusalem artichokes, etc will be your friend there.
Depending where you live you might be able to grow most of your vegetable intake on less land, but you will also need a significant chunk of legumes for protein.
And in terms of fruit, you basically need a decent chunk of space to make a so called “food forest” where you have a mix of species of fruit trees and shrubs.
Geoff Lawton is a great resource!