If by government you mean federated network of autonomous anarchist communities, then yes.
At this point, should we form an alternative government of the United States as a micronation?
Submitted 2 weeks ago by DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com to [deleted]
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PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I mean a micronation like Molossia or Austenasia
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
deafboy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Some say it’s useless to overthrow a government, because the first thing people do after is create another government. It’s highly unusual to skip the first step, though.
CombatWombatEsq@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t fly the Cascadia flag for nothing. Cascadia now!
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 weeks ago
Yes, and it will need a militia to protect itself, and a Declaration of Independence. You should focus on distributing food and arms to the people and constructing a leadership apparatus for your new nation.
remon@ani.social 2 weeks ago
Only if you want to be raided by federal agents.
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
What if you form that micronation under a very very different name that DOESN’T in any way say America?
CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They don’t care what you call it, they’ll kill you anyway. Violence is typically the only way for any nation to get new land, and nobody is currently more equipped for violence than the US Government.
remon@ani.social 2 weeks ago
Is it on American soil? If so, the name is irrelevant.
Nemo@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Is someone just discovering anarchism?
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I mean a micronation like Molossia or Austenasia. I support micronations.
fort_burp@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
Yes. Power’s biggest fear is irrelevance. That’s why power in distress is so violent- it’s forcing it’s relevance into a place where it doesn’t provide anything and is not needed or wanted. At this point all the institutions in the US are a hindrance to the people and the people can manage much better without them.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Why “alternative government”?
This current “government” is illegitimate and we should redo the 2024 election and swear-in the rightful government of the people then remove these traitors that are illegally occupying Capitol Hill
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
How are we gonna convince the government to recount all the votes in the 2024 election? Should we use force?
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Why would you even try to convince an illegitimate gonverment to do something?
Like if the confederates took over DC, do you send them a nice letter?
Its illegitimate, and people who sworn an oath to the constitution should really try to take back control and restore constitutional order. As in the way the Union dealt with the confederates. The Union held an election during the civil war, they simply just don’t count the electors from the rebel states, so we just do the same right now. Pro-constitution states should get together, hold federal elections in those states, and declare those elected officials to be the real United States government.
Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
No, but as a whole nation.
just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think you’re asking about secession, and at what point that becomes necessary?
Texas threatens this every decade or so. The problem is that any individual states outside of New York and California would not be able to subsist. These two states because they have massive economies and are coastal, others because they are landlocked between.
The first order of business down this road is finding legal ways to stop the flow of money from these states to the federal government and starving them, which will invariably destroy the country as a whole.
It’s complicated.
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I don’t mean secession - I mean like a micronation like Molossia or Austenasia, for example
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
I mean both of these micronations do claim to have seceded from the nations that surround them.
IMO micronations are a way for weirdos to LARP as world leaders and aren’t really a solution for anything.
just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Any state would have to secede first.
Teh@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Uh… where exactly? There’s not a lot of land that isn’t claimed by someone already and unless you’re willing to hold whatever new nation you’re trying to form by force, you’ll have a hard time. Trying to do that in the middle of the Gobi Dessert probably only requires a few million in weapons, but water is gonna be hard to come by. Trying it inside the USA is gonna be pretty tough. I’ll suggest buying an island for a couple billion, spend another couple billion on infrastructure and then just a kinda lay-low government, where you don’t officially claim independence, but also don’t really follow the laws you don’t like (see Epstein island for more details).
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
A lot of micronations were formed in the micronational head of state’s property, so as long as you have your own property to claim as a micronation, then you’re good.
Teh@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Again I ask… where exactly? Inside the USA your micro nation is going to have to either follow all the laws of the local, regional and national governments, or be prepared to defend it by force.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Just tell the AI to pretend he’s a benevolent ruler and do what he says.
db2@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The FBI calls those cults, usually with cause.
DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Frankly, at the point we’re already at, this time around the cause would be “We don’t like competition”.