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• Saigon@quokk.au ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  It probably depends on which ones are the two countries, in your case it’s even more complex as you seem to support Taiwan.

  I’m second generation Vietnamese, and while I like the Vietnamese language and culture, I’m still closer to the country where I was born, grew up and spent basically my whole life.

  Also Vietnam being a one party state that my parents left doesn’t really encourages me to fight for it.

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• neidu3@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Choose a side, and be sure to evaluate whether that side is based on culture, ideology, torso etching else, because those three may not necessarily be the same.

  For example, imagine a scenario where the US ended up in a war against russia over a conflict against NATO allies. One could easily imagine that Russians in Europe or the US landing on both sides of the conflict, depending on whether they are pro Putin or not.

  As for china, I can imagine a similar scenario where ethnically Chinese people may be on the US side on the basis that they’re against CCP and/or Xi. Sadly, due to how the US treated people who looked foreign during past conflicts, choosing the US side may not necessarily mean that you’re safe.

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• LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Hope you’re asking theoretically.

  In the UK, they make you pledge allegiance to serve the crown at the citizenship ceremony, which symbolically establishes that your loyalties lie with the British throne and therefore the state.

  In practice, if drafted or if I for some reason volunteer, I would side with whoever I actually sided with morally and ideologically.

  e.g. I’d choose the West over the current Fascist Russian regime, but theoretically back a progressive Russia against a Fascist West and so on.

  This could mean anything from actively serving to dodging the draft to civilian resistance in case of occupation.

  Theoretically a foreign legion isn’t anything too uncommon. There were some Russians fighting alongside Ukraine against Russia last I checked. Being in that case a Ukrainian citizen would only help.

  In case of service I imagine there would be the problem of inevitable racism towards me from the natives while in service if people of my nationality/ethnicity are the current enemy, especially if it’s like the Japanese internment camps in the US level of hate, so that would be a consideration, plus more practical/logistical matters like which language I can actually speak properly enough to function in critical situations etc.

  This is an interesting question though, is there historical accounts of such groups like this I wonder?

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I’m an Chinese-American and I oppose CCP but I just wonder if this… ahem this administration start some war shit, and if it really starts, I honestly have zero idea what to do.

    Obviously I’m morally opposed to CCP so I cannot side with PRC. But I also don’t feel like siding with this rogue administration that has a history of violating the constitution.

    I would hope to not die, but like if I get drafted, I have no issues shooting PLA soldiers, especially if its in defence of Taiwan. But still, kinda feel wrong to be under the command of… you know… that guy (who shall not be named).

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    • adhd_traco@piefed.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Germany has quite the culture of draft dodging.

      I remember all kinds of stories. Smoking like a chimney and getting drunk as fuck before and dressing like a tourist with a camera as you enter the mandatory meeting thing.

      Of course the criteria to get drafted are different through places and time, but try to figure out the process, and what would eliminate you from getting drafted.

      Also, it’s literally in one of those declassified CIA handbooks, that one of the ways to hijack an organisation from the inside is to be incompetent as fuck. Eager, but incompetent. Report any meaningless thing that technically is report worthy, to clog up the pipelines, make meetings way too long and talk about meaningless details.

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    • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Yeah that’s a tough one. Honestly in your shoes for me it would depend on the casus beli.

      If Trump invaded China or was the one heavily escalating shit diplomatically, I would feel morally obliged to not support either.

      If China invaded Taiwan and Trump intervened, I would feel morally obliged to support NATO even if it was led by Trump.

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    • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      That’s a tough. Normally I would hope there’d be an easy choice, but things have changed really quickly.

      I don’t know much about real life in China but every time the current American administration violates human rights or represses science sacrifices our future to line their pockets or attack our friends and allies, it seems like I read about the Chinese government moving in the opposite direction. The direction of “good”, the direction the US always claimed to be. They seem to be making a lot of smart moves for their economic, technical and scientific future, and for larger influence as a global citizen. I have no way to evaluate the current level of repression but they’re at least saying alot of the right things

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• ulterno@programming.dev ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  War is the game played by politician leaders using their populations as fuel.
  Know what kind of a world you want to live in and find out which one will make the resultant world closet to what you want.

  Either will use (and throw) you for their game.
  Neither really cares about where you were born.

  If you do join a service, prove your worth as a living pawn to be greater than a dead one and hope (only hope, do not expect) to not be cut-off for strategic benefit, before their game ends.

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• rumschlumpel@feddit.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  USA during WW2: concentration internment camp.

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• LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Do what you find morally best in that situation. Loyalty to a nation is honestly stupid to begin with. Use your brain and think. And if that means staying out of it, then stay out of it.

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