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• Floey@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I like y’all. When I see @hexbear I know what I am about to read isn’t going to be thinly veiled racism or capitalist bootlicking, while both less common on Lemmy than Reddit still do make their appearance. I like your bantz and images. Also special shoutout to the Disco poster.

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  • Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    rat-salute-2

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  • Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    che-smile

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  • zkrzsz@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    stalin-heart

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• ruckblack@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Y’all are incredibly obnoxious, brigading and dogpiling threads with your politics when the post has nothing to do with it, and you fill comment sections with emoji spam and inside jokes. Stop being disingenuous, it doesn’t take long looking at the hexbear instance to learn that y’all federate with instances specifically to “dunk” on them. I feel bad that lemm.ee still has to interact with your ilk. This reminded me to block hexbear in my app though, since I can unfortunately see this post, so thanks I guess.

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• peto@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Is there any reason to think it isn’t rooted in the difference in political alignment? The very existence of such deep left thought is going to cause a lot of political stress on people not used to having their ideology challenged, be them centrist or even moderately left.

  Personally I think it’s healthy to be exposed to it but I think I’m in a minority here.

  The war in Ukraine is also likely exasperating things.

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  • aleph@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Is there any reason to think it isn’t rooted in the difference in political alignment?

    Yes, there is. Lemmygrad is politically aligned with HexBear, but receives far fewer complaints from users of other instances. Why?

    IMO, it’s because Lemmygrad users typically mind their own business and keep to themselves within the confines of their own instance. Hexbear users on the other hand …

    Although I agree that the majority of new Lemmy users are probably not used to political challenges coming from leftfield as opposed to from the right, it seems to me that the core reason why Hexbear users generally get under people’s skin to such a degree is their overall behavior, not their political stances per se.

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    • randint@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      a gang of drunken hooligans

      I’m stealing this phrase, thanks.

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  • nosurprises@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Is there any reason to think it isn’t rooted in the difference in political alignment?

    It’s not about different political views. It’s about aggressive pushing, where for one comment a user can get a full inbox of quite toxic replies. Of course there are toxic people on all instances, but brigading makes it much worse.

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  • ruckblack@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I don’t use social media to expose myself to rabid, radical political trolls, left or right. You’re welcome to, go head and join their instance. But that wasn’t the vibe on Lemmy before hexbear started federating with people.

    It isn’t even about my politics. I can often agree with some of it. But their method is through trolling, dogpiling, and labeling people fascists and racists because they don’t quite 100% agree. Not at all constructive, and in my opinion, healthy for nobody.

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    • turtlepower@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They’re not trying to be healthy or constructive. We are witnessing the birth of the alt-left. They are just as fascist as the alt-right.

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  • GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m fine with deep left thought, problem is they only ever act like auth right, with a different banner

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  • Spzi@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Is there any reason to think it isn’t rooted in the difference in political alignment?

    I saw a lot of shit from hexbear, and the issue rarely was political. Plenty of examples in this comment section.

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• keepcarrot@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I try to engage everyone in good faith, but I’m also out of step with the majority of time zones on lemmy.

  I’m not that scrappy. We don’t have downvotes (which don’t have notifications), so generally people reply instead (which do have notifications). The sincerity of any response is going to vary wildly. If I personally am going to respond to a post about Tiananmen Square or whatever, the initial poster is going to have to wade through a bunch of answers I will charitably call “tedious”.

  That said, if a certain sort of poster who trips some wire responds, or we get called something that implies you won’t take us seriously (e.g. genocide denier is a more common one among others we’d consider on the left), why bother with civility or politeness? Even if you started to hear a doorknocker out, how quickly will your patience dry up when they start calling you a liar and a paid shill for inscrutable foreign agents?

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  • Spzi@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    we get called something that implies you won’t take us seriously (e.g. genocide denier is a more common one among others we’d consider on the left), why bother with civility or politeness?

    Interesting you’re commonly being called genocide deniers. I haven’t seen a specific case yet, but I’ve seen the accusation frequently.

    You seem to imply the accusation is not justified. But assuming this is case, you do note it is brought up frequently. You may also be aware that most other communities don’t have that issue.

    So if you are right and you are not genocide deniers, where is communication going wrong that others still frequently think you are? Maybe you can present your ideas in a way which is less misleading, to make yourself better understood. To help others to understand you better.

    A common practice is to distance yourself from a bad thing for which you don’t want to be mistaken. Inversely, the lack of such distancing can sometimes be seen as evidence for alignment with bad things.

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    If you’re still with me, let’s switch perspectives for a second. Assuming you realize you’re talking with a genocide denier, which you despise very much. Would you care wether they deny genocide politely and with civility (if that last bit even makes sense)? I’d say you probably already lost the conversation if the other side thinks you’re a genocide denier, and how much effort you put into being polite and ‘civil’ is meaningless at this point.

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    From my understanding, the term “genocide denier” correlates strongly with arguing in bad faith, and not taking things seriously. It seemed important to you that you are the opposite; arguing in good faith and you want to be taken seriously. Which highlights the importance of the first section of this comment. Help others understand easier and clearer who you are, or who you are not. If you are commonly misunderstood, it’s probably worth questioning where things go wrong and how you can change how you are being perceived.

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    • keepcarrot@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I personally avoid argument threads for the most part unless I have a dire social need, but not every conversation is necessarily about the Holodomor and Xinjiang (the two points of contention it seems).

      I’d hope that everyone I talk to and take seriously is a denier of “White Genocide”, the theory that white people are under threat of being bred out and marginalised in their own lands by the deliberate machinations of refugees and immigrants. In this rather gross example, we wouldn’t refer to each other as genocide deniers.

      After which point it becomes a discussion about what actually happened, what constitutes a genocide, whether that fits this legal definition or that etc. But the conversation never gets that far.

      Personally I’m not super interested in relitigating this conversation every time a Chinese cop does something or a member of Azov sneezes. But if other people get something out of it, idk. Whatever. But it is a point of friction between our communities.

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    • axont@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Ok first I’m gonna point out that I don’t wanna re-litigate any of this and I’m not interested in conversation about the content, but rather how the conversations normally go. I’m honestly not an expert on this stuff and it’s really tiring constantly talking about them. The main things that end up being fierce discussions right now are issues with China (namely Xinjiang and the 1989 Tienanmen square incident), and sometimes issues with the USSR (namely the 1930s Ukranian famines).

      it seems like that no matter how much discussion is had on this stuff, nothing budges, no one comes away with different ideas and none of it matters. It always devolves down into shit-flinging, because the conversations themselves are proxies for current unresolved political contests. I don’t think the historical content of the stuff even matters anymore. Furthermore even scholars on these subjects are divided. There isn’t a consensus among historians on if the Soviet Union is responsible for genocide, there are nuanced stances on Tienanmen square, and there’s a vast gulf of stances on how Xinjiang is talked about. And that’s because it’s all still part of the same proxy for political competition. These historical incidents are not yet resolved as unanimous because there is still an ongoing worldwide conflict between powers that could broadly be described as capitalist/western/wealthy and another set broadly described as socialist/unaffiliated/poor.

      so even in civil spheres like international diplomacy and academics, talking about genocide or the nature of historical events can be highly politicized. There’s also a lot to be said about admitting certain deaths occurred without ascribing certain political motivations to them. That seems to be a massive point of contention specifically. For instance, I might say that the events of Tienanmen square did occur, but the way they’re talked about is misinformed or that the conflict is presented in an incorrect framework, which is the standard kind of Marxist view of the event. Other frameworks might say it was a conflict between value systems, between freedom and tyranny, whereas a Marxist might say something more like it was an event caused by social dissatisfaction with the Chinese market reforms started in the 70s, and this dissatisfaction came from both a working class socialist perspective and a more wealthy liberal perspective.

      To some people this is unthinkable, to present it in a different framework is to deny accepted events entirely, and I don’t think that’s true. Scholars are constantly redrawing the frameworks for why events occurred, and all history is going to be seen differently by people of different class perspectives.

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• Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Why does such a large portion of lemm.ee want to block hexbear.net?

  Because they are cowards blinded by liberal ideology.

  And, how can Hexberians improve?

  We can improve by becoming even more hardline communist.

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  • comr@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I kindly ask you to edit out the word coward in your comment. I hope that this thread stays unlocked for as long as possible. I also believe that words like these we often use do contribute partly to their hate.

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    • Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I kindly ask that he keep it in. They are cowards and it is okay to call them that. That’s a pretty tame and accurate insult.

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    • Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Lol, no.

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    • UlyssesT@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Are you going to moderate the very civil poster in this thread calling people “insane” and “deluded” when people disagree with them?

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    • PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Incredible bit you’re doing here comrade

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  • juliebean@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    you’re absolutely right, but honestly, i think it is likely less of large portion, and more of just a very loud and obnoxious portion.

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• sunaurus@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This type of thread does not work. There are too many misunderstandings and wrong assumptions between users, people treat each other as enemies and the thread just devolves into a flame war. I expect this thread will need to be locked very soon.

  I am 100% convinced that the negative image many Lemmy users have of Hexbear is completely wrong. These “hexbear discussion” posts are just a constant escalation, where more and more users mutually attack each other, and these attacks pull in further “neutral” users into the conflict, forcing them to “choose sides”. It’s completely unnecessary and in fact counterproductive - I am sure that in fact most of us want the same things, such as good living conditions for all humans globally, sustainable use of the planet’s resources, etc.

  I really hate seeing users get harassed on Lemmy, regardless of what instance they are registered on. I don’t really know how to solve this constant drama and internet fighting (other than simply isolating users through defederation, which I’m not interested in doing), so if anybody has any ideas, please let me know.

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  Side-note: over the past few weeks, I have received several DMs from users directly attacking me for not defederating Hexbear. I am not responding to these DMs directly, but I will write a generic response here:

  1. Lemmy allows you to block users and communities
  2. Lemmy will soon also allow you to block instances
  3. You always have the option to switch to another instance with a different approach to federation, or start your own

  This instance is provided through volunteer effort, I am not planning to respond to feedback in the form of demands or attacks.

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  • axont@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    yeah as much as I comment on stuff like this, it really doesn’t go anywhere. I fundamentally do not understand where the intensity is coming from or why people are so upset

    the only thing I know to recommend is that if a user is not having an enjoyable time online, or if they’re still thinking about forum arguments for days/weeks, they should take a leave of absence from the internet entirely. Maybe it would be difficult but I think perhaps moderation should look for people who seem to be using these websites in an unhealthy way and send them a DM asking if they’re ok. Ask them how their experience with the site is going and ask if they’re becoming obsessive or find themselves often feeling angry or tense. If that’s the case then the best thing is to recommend taking a break from being online for a while

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  • TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Sunaurus, I respect your opinions deeply- he bear is a problem. They are engaging in outright brigading and vote manipulation to push their desired political content to the top of our instance.

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    • Maoo@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Brigading is when people comment on a post on their front page but I don’t like their opinions. Someone has to do something about this!

      Vote manipulation is when they are more popular than me.

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    • PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Crying about “brigading” is the most Reddit thing one can possibly do

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    • axont@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What am I supposed to do when I see political content I agree with? Am I supposed to avoid interacting with it? If I see something I find disagreeable, am I also supposed to ignore it? How am I supposed to interact with political content? We’re not doing any kind of malicious manipulation. You make it sound like we’re hackers unfairly using the website and that’s not happening. We upvote things we see that we like. We can’t downvote, since our admins disabled downvoting. We comment on political stuff we don’t like.

      Am I just not supposed to be here at all?

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• turtlepower@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Because they are fascists cosplaying as leftists. They attack, brigade, harass, threaten, and suppress when anything brushes their ass hairs the wrong way, whether it’s real or perceived. It all looks and feels and sounds exactly like the alt-right, just using the other side of the spectrum this time. It would not surprise me in the least if we find out in a couple of years that they are malicious actors from certain countries trying to fuck with our politics yet again, this time burning down the left just like they did with the right.

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  • squiblet@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The politics of chapos on reddit always confused me and it continues. It doesn’t seem consistent and it’s a bit odd how they seem to oppose and even hate US liberals and Democrats more than their theoretical ideological opposites, fascist republicans.

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    • turtlepower@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Because they are the opposite of the alt-right: they are the alt-left. They are not actually leftist, just like the alt-right isn’t actually conservative. They are both just plain fascist.

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    • lemann@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That last part especially is a very interesting observation 🤔 haven’t noticed that until now

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  • Floey@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I saw you in another thread, you got called out by a bunch of Hexbear users for being shitty (transphobic and ableist). You say they are the ones who align with the alt right and fascism, you might want to check yourself.

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    • turtlepower@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They are calling people in here transphpbic and ableist. They call anyone who they don’t like transphobic and ableist. And maybe learn to read because I never said they align with the alt-right, I said they are the same as the alt-right, because they are the alt-left. You’re either a hexbear alt or you’re as bad at reading as they are. In either case, you need to check yourself.

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• TheGreatFox@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  While I’m mostly neutral on Hexbear, I do have one significant issue with it: Your emojis show as giant images on other instances, and hexbear users seem to love using those emojis everywhere. I’d recommend using spoiler tags to hide them when posting to other communities until that’s fixed.

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  • Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah we have taken to mostly using spoiler tags for them, but that is an issue that is being worked on and was only made apparent after federation. So it’s not really our fault.

    Also it’s very funny when someone says something very stupid and is met with a giant picture of a pig shitting on its own balls.

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    • TheGreatFox@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Also it’s very funny when someone says something very stupid and is met with a giant picture of a pig shitting on its own balls.

      Ehh, most instances would reasonably call that out as trolling. PPB is the opposite of a good faith argument.

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    • GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This is not how adults converse, even when people say stupid things.

      The fact of the matter is you think you’re winning by posting pigpoop on people, but it’s y’all’s post history and y’all are the ones possessing that image lol

      Y’all act like children

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    • kux@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      your emojis are shit and make you look like very stupid children

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• bucho@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  For an illustrative example of why every sane person who has had contact with “hexbearians” is exasperated by them, just look at any comment made by a “hexbearian” in this thread. Y’all are delusional af, and combative to boot.

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  • UlyssesT@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    For an illustrative example of why every sane person who has had contact with “hexbearians” is exasperated by them, just look at any comment made by a “hexbearian” in this thread. Y’all are delusional af, and combative to boot.

    Everyone that disagrees with @bucho@lemmy.one is insane and deluded, a bedtime story for smug crybully liberals. smuglord

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    • bucho@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Everyone that disagrees with @bucho@lemmy.one is insane and deluded, a bedtime story for smug crybully liberals.

      Well, I didn’t say that. You did. And I disagree with it. What I said is that “hexbearians” are generally delusional, and I feel pretty vindicated in that assessment by the many, many posts by them in this thread. As an example of delusion, you decided that you know enough about me to infer that I believe that everybody whose opinions differ from my own must be delusional, despite very little evidence to back that claim up.

      Fucking rich that you cry about “combativeness” when you lead with the above post.

      Pointing something out that is true is not crying. And yes. You’re very combative.

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    • GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The fact that you thought this reply went with the above is the point. Y’all can’t help but go into other communities and fight and drop tons of links

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  • Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    powercry-2

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    • bucho@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Case in point.

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  • forcequit@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    :)

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• owlinsight@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ll give you my own personal reason. I’ve had to literally change instance because I had the misfortune to disagree with some of them. It was a political conversation and the level of hate and trolling was the most toxic I’ve seen on Lemmy. The amount of messages and replies that attacked me and/or mocked me was enough for me to made me painfully aware overnight of what hexbear is simply because all the attacks/trolling was obviously from the same instance.

  There was (and in my opinion still is) no point in seeing their answers since a great amount of their replies were just pictures or gifs of things like the butthole of a pig, literal shit and things of that caliber. Additionally, every posts or discussion that talks about them, inevitably draws their attention and they start to spam the same kind of stuff, relishing in the idea that they are hated, simply replying with things like “cope, seethe, rent free etc”.

  I’ve also personally blocked all the instances from hexbear I could and a lot of users from there because I don’t come to Lemmy to be called fascist or to try to have conversations with trolls.

  Personally, I can’t see anything that could help in change the culture when the people at the top AND the people at the bottom don’t seem to have any interest in changing. I definetly give props to people like you for trying to change it and I’m sorry you get bunched up with less pleasant users, but I’m here to look at photos of pets, talking about plants and books and other silly things that don’t deserve that level of hate. I certainly want nothing to do with it.

  That was my personal view and experience. Hope it helped with your questions

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  • Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What exactly was the disagreement? The context sort of matters here.

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    • owlinsight@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “lmao you got that mad about being called a little baby for being a little baby? Grow thicker skin or learn to self crit ffs.”

      Seeing your replies, I highly doubt anything anyone could say to you would not warrant a personal attack. You clearly like to think of yourself as someone who’s open and willing to debate since you wrote:

      “I choose to interact with these types in a more interrogative manner”

      But you’re not. You’re just waiting in bad faith for extra ammunition to call people baby, fascist, or people unworthy of having opinions . You don’t even know my political leanings, but just because I’m not a part of your group, that’s reason enough for you (and other people of that instance) to pile on and mercilessly troll on other users.

      I’ll stop interacting with people like you now. I moved to an instance which is defederated from hexbear for a reason, and I’m never been happier of my choice after talking to you and your friends. Have the day you all deserve.

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  • uralsolo@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I disagree with the characterization of Hexbear as being trolls. A bunch of people disagreeing with you in an argument isn’t trolling, if they were following you to other comments or sending you threatening DMs and shit now that’s a different story.

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    • owlinsight@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I never said people disagreeing with me is trolling. I’m quite aware of what trolling actually is. And I find interesting how that “people disagreeing with you is not trolling” line gets said so often by people of that instance. Trolling is trolling.

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    • turtlepower@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Replying with your instance’s precious ppb is trolling, you fucking apologist.

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    • JasSmith@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      But he didn’t lament disagreement. He was very clear about the stuff he thinks is trolling.

      There was (and in my opinion still is) no point in seeing their answers since a great amount of their replies were just pictures or gifs of things like the butthole of a pig, literal shit and things of that caliber. Additionally, every posts or discussion that talks about them, inevitably draws their attention and they start to spam the same kind of stuff, relishing in the idea that they are hated, simply replying with things like “cope, seethe, rent free etc”.

      Why are you pretending you didn’t read his comment? It’s literally right there. We can all see it. Pictures of shit isn’t disagreement. It’s trolling.

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    • GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Dude your neighbors do that shit to everyone constantly

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  • Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You are a little baby

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    • squiblet@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      So, case in point…

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    • Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I choose to interact with these types in a more interrogative manner. But I can’t blame you for choosing violence first.

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    • owlinsight@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      @comr@hexbear.net

      A perfect example of everything that people hate about the hexbear instance. Hope this answer your questions

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  • axont@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Why were you called a fascist? Almost everyone I know on hexbear who uses that term knows what it means and the implications of it. So why were you called that?

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  • PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    cope, seethe, rent free etc

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  • hotcouchguy@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What was the initial disagreement?

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  • Maoo@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Show receipts lol

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• impiri@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  We are upset that we can’t use the emoji >:-[

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• dsemy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I didn’t have any direct interactions with “hexbearians” but I do see a lot of posts and comments by them.

  Honestly, people from Hexbear do comment a lot more, and seem more ready to defend their position (which can sometimes lead to petty arguments), but I don’t really care - I can always just skip a few comments.

  Your politics also don’t align with mine at all, but I still find a lot of posts on Hexbear communities interesting or funny, so I don’t see what the big deal is there either. I think people with differing political opinions only benefit by discussing and sharing knowledge.

  I don’t see why people who want to block hexbear.net don’t just block some communities they don’t like and users they see commenting a lot.

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  • Florn@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Part of the reason we’re more willing to defend our stances is the removal of our down vote button. We can’t just downvote and move on, we can only speak up.

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  • Spzi@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I don’t see why people who want to block hexbear.net don’t just block some communities they don’t like and users they see commenting a lot.

    Since I recently joined this group of people who want to block hb, I reply. First, I’m not subscribed to any hb community, as far as I’m aware. So this option is unavailable to me. The issues I have happen in communities hosted on other instances, with hb users participating.

    What bothers me is the way in which this participation happens. Sometimes the content (offensive, vulgar, dishonest), but mostly the way (edgy). I feel this negatively impacts the non-hb communities I’d like to participate in. Blocking specific users makes me not see them anymore, but it does not undo the damage they do to what I like. It’s like looking away when a classmate is being bulied. Feels wrong.

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• axont@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  i hope I don’t come across as too aggressive when I say all this, because I genuinely do like most of the interactions I’ve had on the extended lemmy-verse and I’ve been pleasantly engaged with a lot of folk here. hope we can stay federated and lots of y’all are cool as hell

  So i’m personally biased here but I’ve noticed a lot of folk outside of Hexbear take internet discussion way, way too seriously. It’s treated as if we’re academics writing papers in an institution, or we’re politicians being moderated in a debate. People get very, needlessly upset over frankly harmless personal insults, like being called stupid or childish or whatever. Outright bigotry and slurs shouldn’t be used, of course, and that shit should get banned ruthlessly. But calling someone stupid or a baby? Or being shown an emoji of shit? Come on now, grow up. Go outside. It’s not a big deal, it’s just a web forum, it’s not senate and nothing we’re doing here is genuinely changing politics or the world by posting. It’s just a forum to pass the time and relax. The most impact I’ve seen is when we do mutual aid like the recent indigenous fundraiser that comrade @Nakoichi@hexbear.net has been doing. Sometimes we’ll add stuff to online discourse, but that’s about it, but that’s fine. It’s not shameful to just be an internet forum.

  It’s very strange to me especially since I’ve been on the internet for decades now and just gotten used to it. People online will insult you, they often won’t take you seriously, and they don’t have to either unless they feel like it.

  Maybe I’m an interloper into a specific kind of posting culture I was never involved with, but nothing about my time on Hexbear has felt any different than the countless other forums or IRC channels I’ve been on in the past. But from comments around other instances, you’d think we’re feral goblins spraying shit absolutely everywhere, only speaking in strings of random gibberish spam and death threats. You’d think we’re some malicious group of hackers or a coordinated culture jamming effort rather than just…a bunch of disaffected leftists using an insular web-forum in a tale as old as the internet. The only real difference between hexbear and other forums I’ve been on have been: There are more users, there’s more of a hardline ban on bigotry (transphobia, racism, etc), and it’s stuck around for a lot longer and there’s more of a chill, cooperative vibe.

  The accusation of trolling and lying about our beliefs is the most confusing thing to me. Y’all don’t think there are leftists out there? You think it’s unthinkable to have genuine admiration for places like China or North Korea? Well there’s a big wide world out there with people of every stripe, every single conceivable opinion is held by someone out there, and some stuff is a lot more popular than you’d expect.

  in any case I hope we can all stay federated because I do like that aspect of the internet, wide interactions with people who want to interact

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• Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  And, how can we improve? Thanks!

  I don’t think the issue is so much on our end, also the bannings are coming from pre-emptively banning people for being casually bigoted in other posts in other instances I think.

  It’s a controversial measure but one I support. We have had to be more proactive in protecting our users from bigotry post-federation.

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• Zuzak@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Hexbear has a powerful immune system designed to target bigots. Sometimes that immune system sees a threat where there isn’t one. Veteran Hexbears have either learned how to avoid being seen as a target or have learned to endure it when it happens, and as much as we may regret false positives, we also recognize the value in purging legitimate targets.

  Some people hate the immune system because they’re false positives, but a lot of people hate it because they are the legitimate targets - and generally they were always going to hate us regardless. Then there are those who haven’t been targeted but just don’t like the idea of an immune system on principle, the free speech centrists and tone police who see us an indistinguishable from 4chan (kinda telling on themselves that their main problem with 4chan is the rudeness, not the bigotry).

  We’ll always have a solid core of haters who we also hate who’s concerns we don’t care about. I’ve lost track of the number of times someone’s whined about us being too harsh only for it to come out that they said some nasty shit about the homeless or something. For the rest it’s a matter of convincing them of the advantages of the immune system and communicating how to avoid becoming a false positive, while making sure to double check targets on our end.

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  • TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’ve noticed users in hexbear go so far to “target bigots” that they’re just assholes to the vast majority of people outside of hexbear.

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    • Zuzak@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Well, some of those are actual bigots and some of them are false positives shrug-outta-hecks

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• honeynut@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Fixing emote scaling would make it less jarring to see them out in the wild. The ppb moratorium has cleaned up threads a lot and hope it continues. Honestly at this point, I’m more annoyed by posts about hexbear/defederation than I am about the instance, especially people who have made it their entire personality to campaign for censoring it from lemmy entirely.

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• AlpineSteakHouse@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ve been with hexbear since the days of r/chapotraphouse so I’ve seen the site at its best and worst.

  The main issue imo is that hexbear has a very “vibe-based” culture. What is correct in any given post is less a question of truth and more a question of what the first few commenters opinions on the matter were. You can be flamed for opinions in one thread but then have those opinions widely accepted a week later because the vibe was different that day. Hexbear is far too focused on dunking libs that discussion becomes a way to blow off steam rather than actually understand something.

  They’re still better imo than most of lemmy though. At least I don’t have to re-defend my first principles of “nazis bad” every post. But sometimes you do get flamed for reasonable opinions because the post had different vibes. You go to hexbear because you want to talk about politics but you stay because you find it cozy. Anyone who cares about the politics surrounding Hexbear is going to have a bad time.

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• Lemvi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Not a lemm.ee user, but personally I only blocked hexbear after I was banned from a hexbear community first. Honestly, hexbear is doing quite a lot of banning and blocking, so I’m surprised you guys have such an issue with being banned and blocked yourselves.

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• oldfart@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I don’t give a fuck about hexbear and the only reason I know the name is because it keeps popping up on meta@lemm.ee. Please go fuck yourself, nobody hates you, nobody even knows who you are.

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• nosurprises@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I have observed truckloads of lemm.ee users being banned on hexbear.net, meaning that they won’t see any Hexbearian’s reply to them since Hexbearians aren’t able to see their comments.

  Oh, could they ban me too? Please.

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• phillaholic@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Give me the ability to block entire instances and call it a day.

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• Fhek@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Their whole existence is to be an edge lord.

  It’s basically 4chan.

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• FluffyPotato@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This comment section seems like a prime example. Incredibly combative and spammy comments combined with image spam.

  My personal interactions have also been quite unpleasant though. Two prime examples have been when someone said the baltics didn’t suffer under the USSR but if they did they deserved it and when someone was literally racist toward Latvians by saying a Latvian will never have anything worthwhile to say.

  I’m much more in favour of just being able to block instances on a user level though so people who are bothered by that type of engagement can just block the instance.

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• randint@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Once, a Hexbear harassed me by asking me to post a picture of my dick. I reported the comment, messaged one of the admins, but so far the admins have ignored the reports and those offending comments are still up. Heck, I even tried to message the admin through Matrix but she rejected (not ignore) my message request. The admins there do not care if people outside Hexbear are harassed by Hexbears. All they do is ban people they don’t agree with.

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  Those three links if you want to see it for yourself:

  • hexbear.net/comment/3835889
  • hexbear.net/comment/3835890
  • hexbear.net/comment/3836492

  It is my request that anyone reading this comment not message that admin to harass her.

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• Terevos@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Literally every engagement from hexbear is political. I mostly don’t want to talk politics on Lemmy.

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• GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Ultimately hb kids just use Lemmy differently.

  They love to act as a “team” and seemingly feel they are obligated to “fight the fight”.

  Their tools are going 0-100 on discussions, trying to draw out protracted arguments, and posting lots of images in their comments. They think they “win” when they whiplash someone into a far left argument then post pigpoop when they get resistance.

  That’s just not how most people use platforms like this. Obviously it irks others

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• Spzi@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That’s a nice opportunity to voice my support for defederating hexbear.net from lemm.ee.

  I say this although I very much approve the open federation policy of lemm.ee, which was a main reason to register here.

  But of the growing list of encounters with hexbeared comment sections, there was not one which was fine. There just seems to be something about some users of this instance to consistently ruin things.

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• TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  So as for hexbear banning Lemm.ee users, it’s vote manipulation. They ban users from different communities they don’t like, then brigade those communities. Except now the banned users can’t see(and therefore downvote) their bullshit.

  I have some screenshots from a post on their meta community discussing it

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• SpicaNucifera@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If I wanted to see edgy children memeing to make a point, I’d go to 4chan. I’m too old to have any patience for this shit.

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