How can I be less competitive about social media engagement?

Submitted ⁨⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨lemmy_throwaway_1154@lemmy.ca⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

Posting from a throwaway because this is something that embarasses me a lot. I’m an artist who posts fanart on social media but as much as I remind myself that fanart is just for fun, I should just enjoy myself and not worry about engagement, I can’t get myself out of the competitive headspace against other artists who create content for the same media. I find myself getting angry at more popular artists who only do lazy doodles, yet they get showered with likes and adoring comments. It makes me feel like I have to strategize posting times, engage with popular accounts so that they will promote my work, draw what the fandom likes to see and not what I want to draw. I become a lot more negative and stressed out when I actively use social media, but without social media engagement I feel less motivation to make art. I have no economic incentive to become a popular artist, my career is unrelated to art, but the compulsion is there anyway.

I started to overthink online interactions because of my competitiveness. It makes me insecure when I see cliques of popular creators who are friends with each other and share/praise only each other’s work. When I reach out to them, just to get to know them and not for self-promotion, they don’t respond and keep talking to their clique. I know that they simply don’t have anything to say but it feels like they are deliberately ignoring everybody who isn’t a part of their clique. I know about extensions that hide the numbers but I care more about the absence comments and interactions compared to the popular creators. How do I get less competitive about this?

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DasRubberDuck@feddit.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Oh no, you’re human being reacting to positively to positive reinforcements.

Mate, this is how social media is supposed to work. You’re being gamed at a deeply instinctual level. The only way to win is not to play. On that note: I should log off. Bye.

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- Reverendender@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Narrator: He did not log off
  
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  - DasRubberDuck@feddit.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    sigh you got me…
    
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- Izzy@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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- jbrains@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  This is one of those things that, once you’re aware of the effect, you can make more-conscious choices. It doesn’t make you immune from the effects, but perhaps you can notice them more easily and process them sooner. This might be a way to practise not comparing yourself to others, which I consider a skill for everyone to cultivate.
  
  If it seems like you never progress and you just keep chasing engagement, then get out and walk in nature more, if that option is available to you. Building a habit like that might provide you with the attention capacity you need to let the social media stuff in without it consuming you.
  
  Good luck.
  
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Laticauda@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
For me personally, I purposefully avoid checking for feedback for a given period of time, like a day, a week etc, depending on the work. I also try to make stuff that I want to see myself, rather than trying to make stuff I think other people want to see.

As for the reaching out to popular groups stuff, here’s the thing. I’ve been in groups of popular artists in a fandom before, and we can usually tell when people are reaching out in good faith and when people are reaching out specifically because we’re popular and they want in on that kind of group. You say that you’re reaching out just to get to know them, but clearly it’s more than that, since you’ve said yourself that you feel jealous and competitive. Whenever I end up in one of those groups it’s usually entirely by chance because my art got popular in that fandom, which resulted in more visibility, which lead to natural engagement. Popular people saw my stuff and followed me, and I saw their stuff and followed them, as mutuals we saw more of each other, started commenting on each other’s works, worked on the same group projects, joined the same discord groups, made fanart for each other, etc. It came about naturally, not because we sought out popular groups specifically. I’ve so been in groups of not as popular artists in smaller fandoms, and the process was similar. The only difference was scope.

And I’ve been in the position where people regularly reached out to me because of my popularity and I can tell that they’ve only done so because I was popular in that fandom and they wanted some attention from someone popular. It’s usually pretty easy to tell, and it just makes me feel awkward. I communicate with groups of artist friends I’ve made because we found we had a lot in common and got to know each other and enjoyed talking to each other. People who come at me without building a rapport first are likely to get either awkward, brief replies, or no reply at all, depending on how they open. And you’d be surprised at how many people try contacting you out of the blue when you’re popular in a decently sized fandom, often trying to get me to look at their art, or read something they wrote, or give critique, or promote their stuff, and so on (I don’t like to share/reblog/retweet/etc something someone sends me unless I would have anyway, so that puts me on the spot as well). So if I had to guess, chances are these people aren’t responding for the same reason I sometimes don’t want to respond, because it can be a bit tiring to filter through all those messages and people vying for attention. I was more willing to engage with people who were sincere and shared my interests and just wanted to have a chill conversation. But if I got the vibe that they wanted something from me or like contacting me was something strategic for their own gain, then I was less likely to respond to stuff. I don’t mind giving the occasional advice, but I don’t want to be on the receiving end of someone else’s self advertising.

It might help to go into this thinking of it as a community, not a leaderboard. Works you put out are there for the sake of enriching the fandom, keeping it alive, providing diverse content. Try to get into the habit of posting stuff without looking at how many likes or shares or comments you get, at least not right away.

Also, try posting more low effort stuff. Do some lazy doodles sometimes. They’re just as important to a fandom ecosystem as high effort works. Not everything you put out has to be something you pour all of your need for validation into. Heck, make some art that you don’t intend to post, or at least wait to post stuff until a while has passed.

Other things you can try is purposefully posting at non-strategic times when you’re less likely to get noticed, draw stuff that you want to draw even if you think that other people won’t like it. Etc. You need to desensitize yourself to the concept of failing, or “losing”.

Even if you can’t get rid of that competitive mindset, you can at least try to be less of a sore loser. I’ve been there, so I get it, that need for validation. What worked for me was forcing myself to become okay with “losing”. I purposefully avoided seeking out validation for an extended period. When you eliminate it as a factor, you relearn how to operate without it as a driving force. You might stop making stuff for a while at first if it’s a really strong factor for you, but if you have the drive of an artist that got you creating to begin with, then eventually you’ll develop an itch you need to scratch by drawing. And when you do, just post it without thinking about it, the moment it’s finished. Doesn’t matter if it’s an opportune time or not, just do it, don’t think about it.

And then let it go. Don’t check for notifications about it, don’t check for comments, go about your day as if you never posted at all. Post your next work without checking for feedback on the first. Just do that for a little while, before you consider going back to check for feedback on the earlier ones. Get used to creating without knowing or wanting to know what people think about it. Become desensitized to the thought of throwing your work out into the void and knowing you may never get an answer back. And try to make just as much indulgent lazy content as you do high effort content, don’t filter yourself.

In my experience over time it becomes a habit to create stuff without taking an audience into consideration, which helps to balance your desires and expectations. After a while you can go back to looking at feedback, but do so casually. Don’t count how many interactions you get, just glance over to get a general idea of what people think. Don’t think about it in terms of numbers. Look at the individuals. There’s 1000 times more value in one heartfelt comment from someone who was genuinely touched by something you made, than there is in thousands of mindless voiceless button presses from thousands of faceless accounts.

But you have to be willing to put in the time and effort to break free of the unhealthy habits you’ve built up and reframe your way of thinking about fandom communities and how you engage with them. If you want to reach out to someone do it because you have something you want to say to them, not because you just want a relationship with someone popular because they’re popular. Reach out to people whether they’re popular or not, connections aren’t all forged from the top down after all, many of the people in those popular groups became popular because they sought out like-minded people to begin with.

This got longer than I initially intended, but TL;DR: if you want to care less about “winning” all the time, make a habit out of losing on purpose.

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simple@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
On Lemmy you can go to your profile settings and turn off “Show scores”. Now you won’t have to keep checking your post’s rating and compare it to others.

In general people will flock to quality content. Those other accounts you’re comparing yourself to could be 10 years old by now and have a good following, just keep doing what you do and you’ll slowly build a fanbase. No need to compare yourself to people who get lucky or were there before you.

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WhoRoger@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I think that’s pretty normal, honestly. Especially for an artist where praise is the only reward, having low engagement can be depressing. It’s just what it is.

I don’t have any advice, and I don’t think advices “think of…” or “take it as…” are any useful. Maybe I can say try to do the art primarily for yourself rather than for others?

Or if you feel like it, you can try doing more niche/different stuff. People who like very specific, oddball things, tend to bs more appreciative, and there’s less “competition”, if you will. And challenging yourself to do something different and new can be good for you too, but it depends on what you wanna do.

I can only guess it’ll eventually bump out, maybe you’ll post less, or find a small hardcore audience, or maybe stop caring about it. Or not. An artist’s life is weird.

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Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
You might want to share your art exclusively on Mastodon for example where the number of likes etc are hidden (you can only see the number of likes from your own posts afaik) and your feed is not algorithmically driven. That way you can still share your art but it will be less competitive for you.

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xc2215x@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Just be proud of what you have done.

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all-knight-party@kbin.cafe ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It's totally normal, and might be unavoidable. It seems like you're uploading your art not just to show your creative output, but to feel validation. You want to know that your art is good and well-liked, and that people enjoy that art just as much as they enjoy any other art online.

You could try to do something like only post your art to a website that you use as a portfolio where the numbers dont exist and you're not really competing with others on the same platform for visibility. That may not work if it's truly about validation, as you couldn't just put that away without needing to transplant the validation somewhere else in your life.

Your best option might be to try and more thoroughly engage with whatever community you already have in an effort to make the engagement that you already have feel enough. Maybe something like drawing requests of dumb ideas people have, just for fun, to get them commenting and have you draw something that's just for the viewers and not for a higher level of art and engagement.

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Pat@kbin.run ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Quit playing the numbers game. It's all irrelevant. Those numbers are there to go up, give you that dopamine, and get you addicted. Yeah, it's hard, but once you keep reminding yourself that most social media is designed to be addictive and is genuinely detrimental to mental health, you will begin to stop caring.

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NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
You need a 2 step strategy for that:

Find a wife.

Make a lot of children.

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Pandantic@midwest.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Yeah, I used to have this kind of feel when I used to post a fandom specific Facebook group. There were a couple of incredibly (and probably somewhat more naturally) talented people in there whose art always got noticed, and mine hardly ever did. Like others said, it’s a natural effect of Social Media. I would step away and focus on your own art and improvement, which may reframe your thinking about what your art is for.

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Mothra@mander.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Hard to answer. This is extremely personal and will vary according to people’s personalities. For me, seeing the numbers and the engagement actually motivates me to post. Or, motivated, past tense, since my career is taking me away from art and as I age I don’t have the same drive I guess. I wish it returned tough.

It might be a thing of the platform. deviantart used to be great to spark conversation over artworks, but I’ve left ages ago, when they did the eclipse thing. I don’t find people connect even a fraction in comparison on Instagram or Tumblr or FB or Artstation, I get what you mean about the engagement. The trend this decade is for doomscrolling, not commenting, with exceptions like Reddit or Lemmy which aren’t focused on image distribution and collection unfortunately. What I’m trying to say is, don’t beat yourself up for not having comments. You need a ridiculously large following to consistently have comments in any of those platforms.

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