Bollocks!
If they want to hire cheap, they’ll end up getting cheap work.
We live in a capitalist trap, and they suck for not paying a fair wage in it.
"The insultingly low salary you would have accepted is still too high."
Submitted 4 weeks ago by FlyingSquid@lemmy.world to mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
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southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
100% agreed.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
We live in the early stages of the Singularity. By the end of this process, there will be no jobs for humans any longer.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
It’s now law in my region that job descs must include a salary range (and not $1-$1m DoE).
Before then, my friend with three degrees and a faang-laden resume had a phrase he used:
“To be sure this project is adequately budgeted, let me know what salary range you’re considering offering. This is a big ‘mineshaft canary’ for me, as an under-buggeted project is doomed to failure and also lets me know how your Project Management, Finance, Devel, and IT groups interact. If it’s not healthy, the budget will reflect that.”
Or so. But he approached things differently:
Sergio@slrpnk.net 4 weeks ago
From the title “Junior Video Editor” and your description of the salary you proposed it sounds like this is an entry-level job that’ll probably go to someone fresh out of school.
It’s hard to read too much into it because this might just be a form letter, but it sounds like they genuinely thought you were a good candidate but they were looking for a more junior position. Sometimes this is dictated by their budget available.
Even if this is a form letter, they probably have a letter for the case where the salary was OK but they never want to hear from the candidate again. So you didn’t get that letter, at least!
It looks like this was a “near miss”. It’s discouraging, but keep at it, you can do it.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
You would think “junior” meant entry-level, because I did at first, but I have seen a lot of jobs with that word in their title paying over £40,000 a year, so I think it might mean “junior executive” or something.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Think of American high school, where a “junior” is in their third of four years.
funkycarrot@discuss.tchncs.de 4 weeks ago
Hold up aren’t you the person who ditched the U.S. for Britain like a month ago?
Hope you get a job soon, keep on searching! Miracles happen when you least expect them :)
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
That would be me. Thank you.
imposedsensation@lemmynsfw.com 4 weeks ago
Surprised it doesn’t just plainly say we’re going to have AI do this job going forward.
otp@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
I don’t get the skepticism. If you were deciding between two candidates of equal qualifications, and one asked for $65k, and one asked for $55k, and you chose the $55k one…what would you say to the $65k one?
imposedsensation@lemmynsfw.com 4 weeks ago
I was making a general comment that a lot of junior or entry-level jobs are being replaced by AI.
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Me?
I’d go for the one that fit the “vibe” the best. If everyone can do the job itself equally, you step down to the people you think are going to mesh well with everyone else (and yourself). 10k a year is a small price to pay if picking the other one is less likely to result in a smooth workplace.
After that, if those were as equal as guesswork can be, I’d look at things like proximity that might make one or other more reliable on a day-to-day basis, and if it was the higher pay request, try and negotiate. Again, that’s guesswork.
But the point is that if you look at the qualifications for a job when considering pay, it can end up costing as much or more in hassles, or be a gain that exceeds the monetary price tag in other ways.
Then again, I likely wouldn’t be in charge of hiring unless it was my own business. As an employee stuck in a hiring position, the choice would be based on policy, and a company big enough to hire and pay people to do hiring isn’t going to think the way I think.
This isn’t an attempt to counter your position, it’s just an explanation of my priorities because it’s an interesting question.
jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
This is why, when asked for salary requirements, the answer is always “Negotiable”.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Unfortunately the form required only a number. They apparently just wanted me to guess. And I seriously lowballed. £30,000 a year for any professional job in London is crazy low.
IanM32@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
I feel like part of the insult is also not just with this particular company, but with the industry in general. I worked on the sound side as both production and post, and the amounts that places are willing to pay these engineer roles always seems to be insulting.
But either you take it or leave it, because there’s someone else out there who is desperate enough to work for what they offer. Maybe this isn’t the same across the pond, but it’s sure been my experience here.
gigachad@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
What’s infuriating here? You almost never get a reason why you have been declined (if they even answer you). So I find this message pretty nice and polite… Or am I overlooking something?
DrBob@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
100% this. This is pretty classy. We are typically told to not even contact external candidates. HR will send them the impersonal notice.
TheHobbyist@lemmy.zip 4 weeks ago
I think the requested salary amount plays a big role. If a typical 100k annual role was rejected on salary misalignments despite requesting 60k, I would be much more critical of the company.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I was asking for £30,000 a year. I don’t think that’s unreasonable for a professional position.
DrBob@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
I feel like the numbers matter here. I recently moved jobs and the posted salary was the full range for the role. The hiring range is a narrower slice of that range. The range below the hiring target is internal development space. The space above is …well they don’t want to use it. They want a couple years of salary increase to keep you from immediately starting your next job search I think. lol.