Dutton is already testing Trump's campaign slogans

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• DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I think it’s important to remember how/why our most recent leaders (before Albo) were elected.

  Abbott was only (just) elected because the voters got the shits with the Labor Party’s Rudd-Gillard-Rudd circle jerk before - surprise, surprise - the Libs started also started doing their own Brutus-to-Caesar act.

  That fuckwittery ended up giving us Morrison’s first term, whose actual elected second term was when he ran against Bill Shorten. Arguably, any train station meth-head could have beaten Shorten just by having - y’know - a policy. Man was invisible.

  My point is, up until we got Rudd, most of our PMs played the long game, regardless of what it meant for their own careers. For example, Howard managed to get both sides to vote in favour of gun reform after Port Arthur, even though that meant some senators were committing political suicide by supporting it.

  We haven’t had a single leader (either in office or opposition) with decent long-term vision ever since. It’s all about the next election, and the fastest way to win it is to appeal to the populist base. Which brings us to the current head-kicking potato the Libs have in charge.

  I definitely agree regarding your fears on the majority’s views on Trumpist bullshit. Something about wankers like Dutton speaking inside thoughts out loud is helping people feel they have license to do the same. I really do hope we’re better than that here…

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• AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  If mainstream acceptance of progressive ideas collapses, Dutton will sweep in in a landslide not seen since Howard. And anecdotally it looks like it’s happening: the broad popular rejection of the Aboriginal recognition referendum suggests that there’s a mood of having had a gutful of progressive ideas. Which may be an illusion caused by Murdoch/Rinehart’s command of the media, but Albo having conceded on the issue and playing small-target I-can’t-believe-it’s-not-LNP politics isn’t helping.

  Another thing to watch for: Greens support collapsing outside of the core, with them losing seats.

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  • Ilandar@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I don’t think peoole are against progressive ideas necessarily. In times of financial hardship their tolerance is just very low for policies and objectives that aren’t targeted at addressing serious problems like the price of groceries, fuel, housing, etc. Progressive economic policy focused on these areas is popular, but left-wing politics has a bad habit of not reading the room and loudly advancing social minority causes when they should be focusing the public’s attention on everything else they’re doing.

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    • AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I wonder whether the October 7 Hamas attack on Israeli civilians, and the similarity between Aboriginal and Palestinian causes, did quantifiable damage to the referendum results. Polls have shown that, outside of the inner-city left, Australians side more with Israel than Palestine, perhaps because both Australia and Israel are perceived as Western/vaguely American in a similar way. If so, the left’s rhetoric on Palestine may have doomed it.

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  • spiffmeister@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Advance has already said they will be targeting the Greens this election, and given both parties opposed the “truth in political advertising” bill you can bet it’s going to be a shitshow of misinfo.

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  • Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    broad popular rejection of the Aboriginal recognition referendum suggests that there’s a mood of having had a gutful of progressive ideas.

    I wouldn’t use that as an indicator. From the outside it’s progression and it’s certainly textbook but we are fucking weird about indigenous rights. We’d vote in a puce-haired enby and pat ourselves on the back for being enlightened before even *considering *an Aboriginal PM

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• veroxii@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  With worldwide inflation post COVID it’s been a shitty time for incumbent governments world wide. There’s been a change of power in every single western election this year.

  And the simple question the opposition can ask is: are you better off today than 4 years ago?

  People eat that shit up.

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  • DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    are you better off today than 4 years ago?

    Reagan also used that against Carter way back. Meaningless, yet effective.

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  • Nath@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Are people in any place in the world better off today than they were four years ago?

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• NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  “the Australian public” is 23 million people from different backgrounds, in different environments, facing different stresses.

  There is no cohesive identity, just human drives. We are animals, often very gentle and nice animals, but we are animals. We carry the heritage of our ancestors. Fear and doubt, fear of the other, selfishness these are all drives we have and they are easy to play into. Of course it will work, trump isn’t a wizard, the rise of fascism is a systematic problem.

  The question is will someone else use a more effective political strategy? Neoliberal politics largely hasn’t been able to because it is neoliberal ideologies which have lead to this world where people are noticing life get harder each year and the upper rungs of society become increasingly unattainable.

  “be happy with what you have peasant, at least we won’t do purges” is just… deeply uninspiring.

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• Lodespawn@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Can Dutton waffle incoherently for long enough to slot those slogans in without people noticing or understanding them? I’m sceptical. He might be an evil potato monster hell bent on setting up a potato based junta with him as the potato bake supreme, but I don’t think his brain has enough mash to achieve a true trumpian waffle.

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• maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  And Howard, multiple times.

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• kowcop@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The dude is never gonna be PM… he couldn’t pull it off last election as he is so unlikable, and has also the teals to battle.

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  • zugzug@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    We thought the same of Trump…

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  • Nath@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I want to agree with you, but we said exactly the same thing about Tony Abbott in 2012.

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