Why aren't vegan?

Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org⁩ to ⁨chat@aussie.zone⁩

If you’re at all aware of what goes in farming in Australia you know it’s a massive horror show. From chicken macerators to pig gas chambers animals suffer massively to end up on your plate.

Every Australian I’ve ever spoken to describes themselves as loving animals, and is horrified at things such as whaling. Most of us even find activities like puppy milling or hunting upsetting.

In light of this; and the knowledge that a few decades ago whaling was a-ok, monkeys didn’t matter, and elephants certainly didn’t feel pain; what makes you confident that what you were raised to consider benieth consideration actually is?

Eating animals is neither necessary nor nice, so why do it?

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ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Because a fully vegan/vego is not easily accessible for me. I rarely prepare meals at home, and eat out/order in a lot, and the effort of moving to a fully vegan/vego diet would be non trivial.

A vegetarian diet is something I would quite happily adopt if it was more readily available, but it’s not trivial, and it’s not a high enough priority issue for me to be able to sustain over the long term

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- NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  What do you think about people who sideline trans justice issues because it would cost them social standing or friends etc?
  
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  - ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I don’t expect active support from everyone, but if there is a chance to support trans issues at no cost to yourself, I would expect people to make that choice.
    
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notgold@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Tastes good and passes off hippies. Win win in my book

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CTDummy@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Grew up with (and later worked on) a family operated feedlot. From being inducted/fed in the feedlot to the process of being sent to the abattoir. Occasionally, we’d have butchers out to the feedlot for when the owners had their own beast killed for food.

So I’d say a bit of desensitisation but also they don’t have too bad a life in the feedlot (imo obviously) and when they’re killed, at least on site, it’s over before they know what’s happened. Feedlot has cameras around the stock camp and feedlot in general. For security but also, mishandling cattle will get you sacked. Electric prods are no longer allowed except for particular unruly cattle. Mishandled cattle are stressed cattle, and stressed cattle are more likely to get injured (or even hurt themselves). If these cattle die or have to be euthanise it’s a loss; so it’s a business decision more than moral one.

Can’t speak to other feedlots or types of farming (excluding planting). Dated vegans before; enjoy meat replacements even if I’m still Omni and generally try to reduce my meat consumption for health and environmental reasons.

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- NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Have you had a look at www.farmtransparency.org ? it’s real stuff going on right now. you don’t need meat replacements etc, beans and rice are the bulk of most plant based diets. Cheap as chips and healthy as.
  
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  - CTDummy@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I’ve seen sites similar (except specifically for abuse cases) and read “eating animals”. Found the feedlot I worked at on the site you linked and they have no record (fortunately). No one really “needs” anything apart from that required for survival. However, the majority of humans are omni so making product that appeal to them will result in more of us considering moving beyond meat.
    
    I’ve got no problem with vegans or people being meat free, I respect it. That said, the majority of humans are and have been omni since recorded history so it’s not as simple as “just” not eating meat. The gut biome transition alone is enough to put off a lot of people, even if it passes somewhat quickly.
    
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DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I am vegan. It’s great! Highly recommend it!

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- NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  incredibly based.
  
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imoldgreeeg@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
My health doesn’t hold up (have a couple of issues that can interfere with my ability to absorb nutrients). I was vegetarian for a long time though not vegan. Now I seek out regenerative farming practices and eat the odd bit of meat…a serve of red meat a week and daily yoghurt make a big difference to me.

That also sits well with my ethics - I’ve seen many broad acre oat/legume/wheat farms with practices that destroy ecosystems and soils and I’ve seen small scale permaculture based mixed farms that include animals in the mix. People like to argue in black and white but there’s a lot more to it. I do my best to be an informed consumer regardless.

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lodion@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
This has more than run its course, I’ll give the benefit of the doubt as to whether this was in good faith or simply looking to argue and sealion.

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Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Truth be told I don’t find hunting upsetting. It’s the way of nature. Hunted wild venison and pork is some of the most delicious meat I’ve eaten. Probably goes without saying but deer and pigs are introduced pests which damage the environment and threaten diversity in Australia and New Zealand, so I have no qualms about hunting them.

Factory farms yeah they can be a bit crap which is why I tend to look for free range meat and eggs.

I’m not opposed to eating plant based meals, I do it probably two dinners a week at present. However overdoing legumes which seem to be pretty popular in plant based meals tends to create a lot of greenhouse gas in the vicinity of my arse.

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