“STOP PLAYING WITH YOURSELF, KENT.” youtu.be/YyZ4gGCCqss
Just 5 more minutes
Submitted 6 months ago by ickplant@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 months ago
I keep hearing Jesus above me.
If he doesn’t stfu, I’m going to send a complaint to the apartment manager.
orphiebaby@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Man, I’m trying so hard to think of one thing Jesus did in the Bible that was noisy, for a joking response. But I can’t think of any.
yesman@lemmy.world 6 months ago
This is the logical problem with miracles. It’s never reasonable to believe that a divine force has intervened because there will always be a more likely explanation. A miracle is an occurrence which is so unlikely that only the intervention of the divine can explain it. That means that any other explanation for the occurrence, no matter how ridiculous, must be more likely than divine intervention. And a reasonable person must prefer the likely explanation over the less likely one.
If a mountain range (harmlessly) sprung up in the middle of the Pacific and spelled out, in comic sans, “LDS is the true religion -XOX Jesus”, it’d still be more likely that this was a natural phenomena or alien intervention than the hand of God.
This creates a paradox where both of the following statements are true:
Belief in miracles is never reasonable.
Reason can’t confirm a miracle, and thus is an inadequate tool to evaluate them.
Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Sounds like the problem is with your definition of miracle. “An occurrence which is so unlikely that only the intervention of the divine can explain it.” A thing isn’t inexplicable by the mundane because of its probability, but because it violates natural laws. And something being truly impossible doesn’t necessarily imply the existence of divinity, but moreso suggests that the fault lies in your conception of natural laws.
The more common definition of miracle is “a surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore considered to be the work of a divine agency.” For example, if an angel appears out of nowhere before you with a message from the Lord, that teleportation is not scientifically explicable. When you open the can of worms that things can break natural laws, you can always come up with an explanation that denies the divine, like that the “angel” is actually a telepathic shapeshifting alien that can teleport and wants to scam you, but that’s not the point. The point is that it’s considered to be a divine act, and it’s considered as such because divine is the word we have for higher powers that are unable to be explained by any level of science.
Also, once the can of worms is open, you no longer get to claim that God’s existence has an infinitely small likelihood, and you have to consider whether your alternate explanation is really more likely than the explanation that all the signs are pointing to. Frankly, I don’t think you get to claim it’s infinitely small in the first place, as whether God is likely to exist is an unsettled debate, but it’s not an unreasonable stance to hold.
GiveMemes@jlai.lu 6 months ago
Both of these long, thoughtful replies were downvoted for some reason. Wtf guys? Is this not a forum for communication?
tygerprints@kbin.social 6 months ago
With the same reasoning it's never logical to assume that things we can't always identify or put a label on are strange or foreign or from other planets.
The most logical, and most mentally healthy mind, would first try to explore the most plausible explanations and first assume there is no miraculous visitation involved.
If a mountain springs up in the middle of the Pacific and a comic sans message pops up saying LDS is the true religion," I can guarantee it's because the multi-billion dollar corporation called the LDS Church has put money into a new kind of marketing campaign.
And if you're stupid enough to give that corporation 10 percent of your income, maybe you're too stupid to be trying to solve UFO mysteries in the first place.
GiveMemes@jlai.lu 6 months ago
Both of these long, thoughtful replies were downvoted for some reason. Wtf guys? Is this not a forum for communication?
roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
I understand where you’re coming from and I’m pretty much an atheist, but if that happened I would at least consider taking a stroll over to the temple.