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Musk responds that Lemon “loves censorship”
There it is, there's the tasty tasty mean-spirited irony I was looking for. I am content; I can stop paying attention to this now.
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Submitted 8 months ago by hedge@beehaw.org to technology@beehaw.org
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mozz@mbin.grits.dev 8 months ago
BlueBockser@programming.dev 8 months ago
Giving some real 1984 vibes
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
mozz@mbin.grits.dev 8 months ago
Free speech is I get to shut you up if you “silence” me by disagreeing
CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Why does this feel lie a viral marketing campaign to get people to watch stuff on X?
“I interviewed Elon, got cancelled and he mad. Watch on X”. It just doesn’t add up to me.
BarryZuckerkorn@beehaw.org 8 months ago
The Twitter deal got canceled, so the interview was posted to YouTube instead. Which, honestly, is the better service for long form video.
CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Ah, apreciate the clarification.
bigfoot@lemm.ee 8 months ago
I think it’s a viral marketing campaign for Don Lemon. He still sucks but he played Elon like a fiddle here.
andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 8 months ago
The answer is disappointingly pedestrian, I think: it’s where the clicks are. What’s he supposed to do? Post it on Vimeo and ask people to support him on Patreon?
No conspiracy needed. Lemon doesn’t have anywhere else to go.
furrowsofar@beehaw.org 8 months ago
Yes we know who Musk is… and it is a very mixed bag. Some where around the time he became the world’s richest person I feel like something changed and he went over the top or over the edge. Not sure which.
hedge@beehaw.org 8 months ago
[deleted]skozzii@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Me too, I was definetely duped by him. It’s embarassing now that I see how much of a man child he is.
And a shit father, considering his resources he may just be the worst father in history.
Kalkaline@leminal.space 8 months ago
It was the kids in the flooded cave incident where “his invention” was deemed unusable for the rescue and he called the scuba diver that helped get the kids out a pedo. That was the big turning point for me at least. That and him making a bunch of CPAP/BIPAPS during COVID when what we needed was ventilators at the time. He’s an idiot that is running on the fumes of his fans.
Pechente@feddit.de 8 months ago
Man that scuba diver incident was also the turning point for me. Before that I actually thought he was involved in a lot of cool stuff and probably a positive influence but I also didn’t pay all that much attention to him.
acastcandream@beehaw.org 8 months ago
What changed was he stopped paying for a quality PR team.
Kichae@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
The only thing that seems to have changed is that he stopped pretending in public. Fired his PR people or something. Interviews with people who have… experienced him first hand point to his behaviour being consistent and repugnant since he was in his early 20s.
There is no mixed bag. Just the desire in people who once believed in him to pretend that they didn’t enable a toxic narcissist.
sonori@beehaw.org 8 months ago
I mean the first time he really did something in public was getting mad at a bunch of journalists for just tacking a little blurb about him as a key Tesla investor when discussing the actual ceo’s presentation a Tesla press event, so i’m not sure that he fired his PR team so much as the less you know about him the easier it is to like him.
If all you know is that he’s a techbro that used his pile of free money to buy an EV and a rocket company it’s easier to file him under the James Cameron folder of generally inoffensive rich dude with neat hobbies.
kia@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
It’s mostly a result of him believing he’s self-made and therefore must have some sort of superior knowledge to the rest of the world. Classic case of being born on third base and thinking you hit a home run.
thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz 8 months ago
The rich go insane because the people around them enable them to believe their own bullshit and set no boundaries with them. This is SUPER bad for humans psychologically and causes us to lose touch with reality.
athos77@kbin.social 8 months ago
I feel like something changed
He grew up a rich white boy in full-Apartheid South Africa. He's never grown up (Tesla models S,3,X,Y! Tesla fart noises! 42069 amirite!).
Nothing changed, he just got bored and started interacting with the poor's and people noticed the person he really was.
mozz@mbin.grits.dev 8 months ago
Yeah, I agree with this. According to the only person I know that works at Tesla, he's always been an asshole and was best avoided generally speaking. But I do feel like he used to be a lot more normal-techbro-socially-inept asshole guy than today's darkly deliberate evil.
That little clip of him running outside to watch one of the early SpaceX rockets take off, all excited, I really was on his side. IDK what went wrong. I feel like maybe inside him there's still a wide-eyed nerd that just wants to make really good electric cars and go to Mars, and something went wrong and that guy got buried deep down, and maybe now he'll never get free.
Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
He needs a submarine to his heart
tesseract@beehaw.org 8 months ago
Anyone involved with a rocket would want to run outside and watch it climb. That isn’t uncommon. But Musk had a vile character even before that. The hopeful nerd was just a facade propped up by PR pros. You can check out the history of Tesla. Despite him being hailed as its founder, it was neither his idea, nor his creation. The real founders were pushed out rather unfairly in his signature power play. That power play is still visible in Musk vs OpenAI.
Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 8 months ago
He’s a guy who wants to save the world, and in a lot of ways has the tools to save it. But only if it is him saving it
coffeetest@beehaw.org 8 months ago
Q: Do you believe in DEI? A: I think we should judge people based on skills.
Except for himself, I guess. He seems clueless on a number of issues and unwilling to assess his own beliefs which is not a flattering quality in my book. I didn’t think much of him before this interview and it only reinforced it. I am not sure I liked the interviewer much but he did bring up the right questions and follow-ups so I guess he did a good job.
Pinklink@lemm.ee 8 months ago
No one looks good in this. Musk obviously much much worse, but Lemon was antagonistic and rather aggressive with his tones and questions. When he had multiple chances to respond somewhere down the middle and MAYBE get Elon to actually think about things differently, Lemon continued to be demeaning and dismissive. Lemon is confused why Elon is upset about this interview? Bullshit. Lemon went for multiple “gotcha” moments, brought lines of questioning that were meant to be direct attacks, purposefully “misunderstood” his answers when he had even somewhat salient points. Still trying to rectify the illegal immigrant thing in my own mind, have to chalk it up to Elon being misinformed about the data I guess, because that made an unfortunate amount of sense. Has to be that not an overwhelming majority of immigrants go to blue states, which actually it might be just that simple. “Blue states would lose blah blah seats in senate and electoral votes without illegals (yuck he kept saying it this way)” yeah but what about red states? Does Elon really think 100% of illegal immigrants go to blue states? Anyway my point is Lemon didn’t really respond to this point other than “you are wrong. Guess we will find out which of us is wrong.”
bigfoot@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Still trying to rectify the illegal immigrant thing in my own mind, have to chalk it up to Elon being misinformed about the data I guess, because that made an unfortunate amount of sense.
He was trying to point out Elon’s hypocrisy. The US has a strong existing structural political bias towards red states, who (on average) get significantly more funding and representation per person than blue states.
If Elon was truly concerned with “unfair allocation of funds” and “unfair representation in congress”, you would expect him to be upset with gerrymandering, the electoral college and other things. The fact that he only speaks up when it involved majority nonwhite refugees is telling.
That said, I agree it fell flat. Also letting him claim that the “great replacement theory” is actually just about census-related funding is like saying the civil war was about states’ rights.
Pinklink@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Great points. Thank you
Gaywallet@beehaw.org 8 months ago
I think it’s perfectly reasonable to respond to “demeaning and dismissive” statements by being “demeaning and dismissive.” We’re big fans of the paradox of intolerance around here. It’s not the job of the interviewer to “think about things differently”. Lemon isn’t Musk’s therapist. Lemon isn’t obligated to do the heavy lifting of emotional labor for Musk.
Pinklink@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Yeahhhhh except that if we really want to change hearts and minds (which if you don’t, you are just doing things for the sake of the high of self righteousness, because you don’t really care about the issue if you aren’t trying to change others’ opinions), you have to be better than them. You have to answer vitriol with level headed salient points. There is no better way to show someone what a deluded, selfish asshole they are than answering shittheadedness with calm, valid counter arguments.
Conyak@lemmy.tf 8 months ago
I have rarely seen this man speak and after that I can only assume his fan base hasn’t seen him much either. The guy is clearly of average intelligence and a total racist piece of shit. No wonder he threw a tantrum over this interview.
Spacehooks@reddthat.com 8 months ago
He gave pathetic vibes. Sure lemon was giving “hard questions” but his response was just so pathetic. Like bruh must have expected to be treated like Trump on Newsmax.
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Lemon asks Musk about his comments on illegal immigration and the far-right “great replacement theory” and then turns to the topic of content moderation. Lemon asks whether better content moderation on X would let Musk avoid some of the criticism of his posts about the great replacement theory. The interview also goes over Musk’s disagreement with companies’ diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) policies as well as his views on racism. Things get more heated at the very end of the interview, when Lemon mentions Musk’s statement that advertisers could “kill” X with an ad boycott. Musk says he uses ketamine, which is a dissociative anesthetic, once in a while when he gets into a “negative sort of chemical mindset.” He also says he met with Trump but denied rumors that the former president asked for a donation for his political campaign. Lemon, a former host on CNN, was supposed to debut new episodes of his show on X as part of a deal he struck with the platform earlier this year. — Saved 72% of original text.
hedge@beehaw.org 8 months ago
[deleted]sonori@beehaw.org 8 months ago
Yes, but at the end of the day SpaceX is the work of tens of thousands of people, not just the guy who provides a pile of money in exchange for constantly forcing the engineering teams to do stupid stuff if they can’t explain why not at an eighth grade level.
ulkesh@beehaw.org 8 months ago
Like everything else concerning that moron Musk, I won’t be wasting my time.
WarmSoda@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Lol what a baby
bigfoot@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Watching Elon struggle to choose between admitting he’s a failure, or not the big boy boss man was gold.