2G, 3G, 4G, 5G mobile data made some sens as it represents generational leaps in the technology itself but then Xfinity wants to advertise "10g" internet...

Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨mysoulishome@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world⁩

Comcast says it represents a 10 Gigabit cable internet network they are building (it doesn’t exist) so they are basically changing the meaning of the g from generation to gig to act like 10g is 5 generations better (or twice as fast)…or that they have a 10 gigabit network. Neither is accurate. It’s still just cable internet that people have to use because they have no other option.

Fuck Comcast.

I read online they are abandoning the “confusing” 10g branding but I just saw a commercial for it. They think all of their customers are morons and count on folks having no other choices in a lot of cases.

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BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Screen manufacturers just did a similar thing with the jump from 1080p to 4k

The 1080 part of the original number referred to the number of pixels from top to bottom, 4k refers to left to right. 4k is actually only 2160 from top to bottom though (at the same aspect ratio).

So they quadrupled the number when it should have only doubled, and it was entirely a marketing thing.

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- Alto@kbin.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Don't even get me started on the bullshit that is calling 1440p 2k
  
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- Alexstarfire@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  There are 4x the pixels so…
  
  I don’t disagree with the change either. Having a large number makes it more difficult to compare. After 2160 it’s 4320. 2k, 4k, and 8k are far easier to remember and figure out the differences.
  
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  - GluWu@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Exactly. The up tick in resolution was slow, 480 to 720 to 1080. Relatively small improvements. Then jump to 2160/4k and the resolution goes up by 400% from the previous 1080. 4k is 4x1080 screens put together.
    
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- scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Why marketers are allowed to label the speed of a network is just beyond me as an engineer. Call it whatever you want. “Our Purple speed”. Don’t care. But underthat it should be labeled with a standard 1gbps/1gbps.
  
  That would shut up xfinity’s bullshit claims pretty quick. “Our new Plaid speed fiber” 200mbps/4mbps
  
  Seriously I called them years ago asking about fiber, they were real hyped, they bragged they could give me 800! 800 what I asked. Megabytes! Megabytes or Megabits? 800 Megabits, okay fine, symmetric right? Well, no one uses upload anyway. That was their literal response.
  
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kjake@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Ars reported on this at the end of January.

Comcast reluctantly agrees to stop its misleading “10G Network” claims Comcast said it will drop “Xfinity 10G Network” brand name after losing appeal.

arstechnica.com/…/comcast-to-stop-calling-entire-…

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- mysoulishome@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  They say that but are running the ads this very night during college basketball games…
  
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  - kjake@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yeah, it’s still confusing. It could be that since the ruling was made less than a month ago, there are active ad campaigns that they’re just going to let run their course, rather than cancel them.
    
    But also, note the following from the source article:
    
    Comcast said it may still use 10G in ways that are less likely to confuse consumers. “Consistent with the panel’s recommendation… Comcast reserves the right to use the term ‘10G’ or ‘Xfinity 10G’ in a manner that does not misleadingly describe the Xfinity network itself,” the company said.
    
    When contacted by Ars, a Comcast spokesperson said, “We disagree with the decision but are pleased that we have confirmed our continued use of 10G in advertising.”
    
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givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Pretty sure they’ll getting sued on 10g.

But 5g is bullshit too.

The telecoms agreed what threshold of improvement warranted a “new g” but they sell more funa when the number goes up.

So they started making up sub versions of 4g and then all agreed to have 5g before meeting the threshold for it.

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skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It was hilariously reading the presser on NBCComcrap talking about how 10G DOCSIS development is progressing and they could almost hit 10Gbps in labs on the downlink but uplink would only be a few hundred megabits tops. Like, none of those numbers are worth selling a marketing brand of “10G”. Real fiber Internet can hit it, my provider offers 10Gbps/10Gbps. That could be called “10G” - if we continued to conflate speed with generations like Comcrap tried to do.

I really wish the FCC would step up and slap all these companies perpetuating these weird lie terms the last half a decade.

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- mysoulishome@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Haha yes it would be nice if the FCC wasn’t beholden to these companies based on their lobbyists flooding money into Washington…
  
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DABDA@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Because of all the bullshit with subsidies etc. intended for improving broadband infrastructure being abused, my dream is:

All the poles & lines (and access rights to them) are nationalized and then opened up for individual ISPs to service. Current ISP exclusivity contracts/agreements should be dissolved. Let them actually compete for customers with price, features and customer service.

The government should also offer tax-funded baseline connectivity to everyone since it’s effectively impossible to live in modern society without internet access. The provided speeds must be sufficient for a typical bloated framework-script-heavy site, all (meta)data/packets should be considered constitutionally protected private info not able to be monitored/scraped/sold.

Use building out and supporting the above as a useful jobs program instead of more military adjacent stuff.
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- mysoulishome@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  You have my vote if you run for office.
  
  I’ve heard in other countries they have a CHOICE of electricity providers. Boggles my mind. CHOOSE who you buy electricity from? Like more than 1?
  
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  - tr35y7@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    This is the case in the UK. Rare example of where privatisation of a utility went well. Don’t ask about the water
    
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  - stewie3128@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    In Atlanta I had a choice of natural gas companies, even though it would have been cheaper if there were simply one single regulated monopoly.
    
    Competing utilities are just a way to give out cash to rent-seeking middlemen.
    
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Cuttlefish1111@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Xfinity is Comcast. It’s incredible they were able to rebrand themselves.

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pelya@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
ITU defined 4G in 2008 as wireless connectivity with speed of 100 megabits per second for mobile users and 1 gigabit per second for stationary users.

LTE never achieved such speeds. It did not stop mobile operators from calling their service 4G.

ITU since then revised their definition to lower the required network speed.

5G was supposed to have network speeds of 10 gigabits per second. ITU however wisened up and are just defining it as ‘fifth-generation wireless’, because the mobile operators will butcher the definition anyway.

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- Postreader2814@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Well there you have it. If ITU hasn’t defined 10G, then ISP’s can call it whatever they want. It’s not regulated.
  
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- Freestylesno@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  LTE Long term evolution, I think 5g is still LTE. 5g builds on the tech of 4g.
  
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  - pelya@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yup. 5G is LTE with more frequency bands.
    
    Just slap one more antenna into your phone, that’s how we’re increasing network speed.
    
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- mysoulishome@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Interesting
  
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xyguy@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I was genuinely convinced they offered 10gig service in some markets. Doesn’t surprise me that its all marketing nonsense.

Just a tip for anyone who wants to know, if you have Comcast business internet they’ll tell you you have to use their modem but, you can swap it out with a 3rd patty modem and use the live chat service to get it activated. Then you can send back their modem for free at a ups store. Every salesperson will tell you its not possible but it absolutely is.

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- linearchaos@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  If the end user was getting 10 gig I wouldn’t even be all that mad about it.
  
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kent_eh@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Wireless “G” labeling has always mostly been marketing want anyway.

The actual technology has used more pragmatic (if less marketing friendly) terminology.

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AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Fuck Comcast. Even when it was clear what they were referring to, they made it seem like they were offering 10gigabit fiber service. Nope, same old service offerings

Is 200/20M asymmetric, over provisioned up the wazoo, shared across the neighborhood m, high latency, any better now that it’s relabeled?

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militaryintelligence@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Fraud is legal if you’re doing it to consumers

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- mysoulishome@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  If you finance the campaigns of the folks who make the laws anything can be made legal
  
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markon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Meanwhile my fiber provider actually offers 5 gig symmetrical for $150 a month. I don’t have the network gear to do over a gig, but they offer it and it’s a hell of a lot cheaper and better than Comcast.

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Crum@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The next one can be called “Series X…G”

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lledrtx@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I would be surprised if ITU lets them get away with that. 🤔

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