If you think it has nothing to do with the working class struggle you need to go back to square one and begin again. There isn’t much that isn’t impacted by the rise of AI.
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daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks agoWhy?
Anti-AI is a small primitivism and/or IP protection movement.
It has nothing to do with the working class struggle. Or the right to have proper healthcare.
You would be surprised that most people who cares about improving the rights of the working class does not have actually any beef with AI. At most we want to open source it as we want to open source every technology.
modifier@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I wont take lessons of primitivists, sorry.
People against technological advancements are against the progress of the working class.
The only chance for people to live good is to delegate a great amount of work to the machines. That’s just it.
If you think that primitivism is the answer and got fooled by the anti-AI movement you should be going back to square one. Start reading the basics until you learn thar technological progress is not the problem, human greediness and capitalism is.
Saryn@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You’re tilting at windmills. It’s not about rejecting technological advancement. It’s about ensuring its fairness and accessability.
Yes, technology can be (and is) used for social good. It can also be (and is) used to opress and supress. What’s more both dynamics are happening at the same time. The world isn’t black-and-white. The human condition is complex.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
That’s exactly my point.
AI is just another technology. If some corporation does bad things with it is just bad. If some people do good things with it then is good.
But people charge at AI just because itself. They are against the technology. Not the corporations using it.
I have been given the example “But UH is using AI to deny medical treatment”. What if instead of AI they would have used a Java application? They would be against Java? No, because that argument is not rational.
They are just against AI because etsy artists who made easy money doing porn commission got their hustle broken by AI doing a better job for free. That’s just how the anti-AI movement somehow got mixed in some leftist circles, because etsy artists are too influential in those circles. And their complain got blown out of proportions.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 weeks ago
People against technological advancements are against the progress of the working class.
If you think that what is being called “AI” right now is actually a useful tool for the working class: You’re fucking delusional.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Ah. Here we are. The Schrodinger AI.
People are now behaving like MAGA with the immigrants. At the same same time too bad to do anything useful and also stealing everyone’s jobs.
Not surprised that two identical ways of thinking end up with the same arguments.
drmoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s incredible how successfully AI topic has been hijacked.
Copyright is bad, period. Barking at AI for using copyrighted shit for training just makes it less accessible to train for anyone BUT the mega rich.
I genuinely don’t understand the though process of these people. We want information to be free and accessible to everyone, no?
Starbuncle@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
IMO it should be illegal to monetize things made by AI trained on copyrighted material unless you also make the model open source and freely available for download. That doesn’t stifle innovation.
drmoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think that’s a fair take though the world is allergic to “open source” being a part of our government. I mean, we can’t even open source government projects paid by citizens in most countries so introducing open source as part of our governing process is basically impossible.
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
United Healthcare was using AI to deny claims.
Also saying AI has nothing to do with the working class struggle is hilarious.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Probably also using computers. And I’ve heard that CEO drink water too.
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I don’t have a problem with the concept of generative AI my guy. What you call “primitivism” I call having an ethical issue with basically everything surrounding how it’s done right now.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
We live in a capitalist word. Almost every use of every technology is unethical.
But people hold a special grudge against AI.
Same example as before. Is United Healthcare use AI for denying treatment it got pointed out. If they used a JavaScript and traditional algorithms to do so, it’s not the technology which we point out, don’t we?
If AI is forced in windows 11 by Microsoft, it’s pointed out. But if they force Teams, we don’t hate communication applications, don’t we? We don’t say that communication applications are bad and unethical. Even if most of them are as property of big tech as AI is.
Now the question is, why AI is getting this special treatment?
In order to get the answer I traces where the hated started. There was AI before. And the first by jump in generative AI was not hated, quite the contrary it got plenty of praise. But then Image generation came… And it rubbed artist the wrong way, thus the anti-AI movement started.
Also I looked for other correlations with people against AI. And I found that they tend to be against any new technology from the last 5-10 years or so.
So that’s how I found the answer of that question. Just looking at the origins and looking at who had those opinions.
I have found that the genesis of most things is the key to really understand them. And this genesis really explains why if an AI takes workers jobs it’s hates and pointed out, but if a python script does the same it’s not.
I’m an open minded person. If I get a better answer to that question that bugs me, I would reconsider my position. But I’m yet to read any rational answer on:
Why AI gets a special treatment on its unethical uses when compared with any other technology also being unethically used by corporations and capitalism?
intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 week ago
what do you see as the difference between a person seeing your work, Ingesting it into their brain to reprogram their brain, allowing them to make parallel works, and an AI ingesting your work as part of its training data?
Our current IP laws prohibit making money on exact copies of your work. That is not what AI does.
drmoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is such a stretch. AI used to deny claims and video animation AI are so far apart that you might as well be talking about these two things using the same electrons 🙄
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Well, I disagree. They may be trained on different data sets but both represent the same ethical problems with generative AI right now, imho.
drmoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Clearly you don’t even know what AI means and just parrot whatever meme you hear. What ethical issues? You’re comparing copyright theft to what? Using machine learning to decide whether insurance claim should be accepted? These aren’t even the same realm of computing and as close as a calculator is to Candy Crush.