I disagree, I don’t think these two are comparable.
Physical violence cannot be undone. Saying that you want to leave someone, and then breaking down upon noticing your mistake is something that can be talked through. If someone beats you, and says it was an accident, you’ll still be bruised and feel unsafe around them, even if you understand them and have empathy for them. On the other hand, if you understand and have empathy for a partner that said they would leave you because they honestly though you would be happier without them, you can help them get better and move on.
Krauerking@lemy.lol 14 hours ago
We all burden each other with stuff constantly. It’s on her to fix it but fixing yourself is impossible tlsince their is no template for what fixed looks like.
It’s also on the husband as much as it is the rest of us to see what level of burden we are willing to take on for those we care about. That’s humanity.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
This is nonsense. Self-improvement is possible based on your own or societal standards.
Krauerking@lemy.lol 14 hours ago
Society does not have the end-all of best of humanity in mind. Often it just means productive at work and cares little for your well being.
You can self improve but that’s not fixing anything. That’s just getting better at not being a burden to others. But the burden is the point. We are all in it together and are a burden on each other. But we do it anyways.
Don’t tell people that they can be “fixed” that is nonsense and just makes them feel more of a burden without the kindness.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
The burden is not the point. You should be improving people’s lives, not making them worse. Unless by “burden” you mean like the mundane parts of dealing with living with other people, which is not what I’m talking about.
KomfortablesKissen@discuss.tchncs.de 13 hours ago
You might want to think about how you view others. If everyone around you takes their relationship with you hostage, or worse their life, then the people around you are constantly taking advantage of you. On the other hand if you think of others as burdens constantly you need to change the people around you. Go to a different setting, a club or something were different people hang around.
Oh cool, I finally have the argument I can use when screaming at my wife.
Sorry for that, but your sentence is just nonsense. Worse even, it’s an excuse. I get the feeling behind it, but she is the one who needs to seek help. Nothing will stick if she doesn’t want it.
No longer a husband. She filed for divorce, remember? Also: even if he still was, he cannot take responsibility for her mental health. He can help, but never do it himself. That’s 100% on her. She can accept help, but it’s a thing she has to do herself. Everything else would be manipulation on her.
Now you spin this as a failure to provide assistance, but that’s not what’s happening in the story. She doesn’t ask for help, she severes the bond.
Krauerking@lemy.lol 12 hours ago
No, I don’t think of it as a failure to provide assistance I think we choose the burdens we are ok with and you don’t have to aim to fix everything. We can’t fix dyslexia or genetic disorders, and we don’t just demand they figure it out to change nothing.
And it’s not so easy to just pick to be better and yes she has to do things herself. We all do. It it’s not over or even done when they decide to get better. And it is still on the rest of us to accept the burden of their issues to make life safe for them as well.
I point out that you give love first. You accept that people are broken and you love them anyways. I don’t want vapid relationships that only go surface level so that they can never burden me.
Ok wow. That’s a takeaway to being told that their is no such thing as perfect or fixed. That’s in you for wanting it as an excuse to be worse.
KomfortablesKissen@discuss.tchncs.de 11 hours ago
Good on you for abandoning the unwilling. It sounds horrible, but it’s a matter of cutting costs before you yourself become an emotional burden on others. That’s what I wanted to show.
I have no idea how that matters in the context of a wife filing for divorce and breaking down crying when it’s accepted. Sounds like the husband did everything perfectly in your opinion.
It’s 100% on her. No wiggle room, no “things” or parts of it. She is the only one with access to her head, meaning people around can help, but never steer. And if she won’t then she will have to find someone willing to put up with her problems. And even that relationship gets thrown out the window the moment she asks for a divorce.
Yes, it’s an incredible amount of work that not a lot of people even begin to tackle. There are even “therapists” that tell people that everything will be fine, that all other people are the problem. This is a problem in itself, which is why it’s 100% on the wife to get better. Bad help is not an excuse to be a dick.
Then do you it. Why would you make that decision for the husband? Or the wife?
And then they tell you they don’t want you in their life anymore. Like the wife did in this story. Would you be the creep that sits by the street lantern watching her every move? Or would you honor her wishes?
Seems like a good call. I’m trying to do the same. This still doesn’t make me responsible for someone’s mental health. It does make me inclined to help when I can, but only to the point where they tell me to get the fuck out of their life.