There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.
alquicksilver@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Anyone voluntarily participating in the US for-profit prison system is, almost assuredly, a problematic person with questionable morals.
It’s literally making money off of slavery. If you would not be proud to call yourself a slave-owner, I’d hope you would also not be proud to invest in slavery.
Royal “you,” by the way. Not OP, specifically.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 weeks ago
Lauchs@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
*yawn
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Yeah, it’s pretty boring, that’s why they call it “a boring dystopia.”
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Orlly now?
Yeah, there are a lot of big cheaters right nowz doesn’t mean All of it is
Lauchs@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
In a culture where almost everyone is wearing clothes made by children working 14 hour days who occasionally burn to death because fire exits would cost too much, this seems to me, an odd line to draw.
Might just be me but I’m not sure I see much of a difference between slave investor and wearing slave labour.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think the difference is, you can CHOOSE not to invest in slave labor. If 100% of the clothes are made by slave labor, what are the other options? Be naked? You’ll get arrested, and now by US law, YOU’RE the slave labor.
Whereas nothing is forcing you to invest in slavery.
Steve@communick.news 2 weeks ago
But they aren’t all made by slave labor. You only have to spend 3-5x as much. Not a problem if you buy %80 less clothes.
hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
We all have to do something to survive.
alquicksilver@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you have money to invest, you aren’t struggling to survive.
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
There are other industries that are very profitable to invest in, and is much less unethical.
Lauchs@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Not 100% of clothes directly benefit slave labour. For the price conscious, there are thrift shops/second hand clothes almost everywhere and ethical clothes available online for a bit more (but generally less than brand name stuff that’s expensive and still made by child slaves.)
alquicksilver@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t disagree with you that slave labor is bad regardless of who, what, where, how. I disagree, however, that there’s not much difference between purchasing products you need and investing in a business.
Some folks can’t afford anything except cheap clothing/household goods from overseas, where they are often made in sweatshops with slave and/or child labor; it’s not their fault that they can’t afford to purchase ethical products. No one needs to invest in a business, though, so choosing to invest in one that deals in slavery is that investor’s fault.
For those of us who can afford ethically-sourced/made items, though, I agree that it’s quite similar. I have no excuses other than people are, as a whole, not good to each other. :(
Lauchs@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I fully excuse folks who are really struggling. Though given thrift shops are a dime a dozen, I don’t entirely think it’s a free pass.
Sorry, this one just bugs me. I absolutely hate that our culture has this huge blind spot to the very real exploitation that so many people engage in but we’ll simultaneously get furious about sins that are, in comparison, fairly minor.
Investing in something evil is reprehensible but I put it on about the same realm as buying an expensive slave made product. At least for the investment, maybe it’s for your kids or something rather than looking cool.
Really appreciate the reasoned response though!
Grimy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Huge difference between not being able to afford the right thing, and being able to afford the right thing and instead investing in the really bad thing.
Kind of like how I have to gas up but I would never invest in the oil industry.
Lauchs@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
But there are non slave alternatives all over. For the price conscious, there are thrift shops, facebook marketplace etc. Otherwise, there’s tons of ethical clothing available online and if you live in a city, probably in some stores near You.
Grimy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I agree and I think there isn’t much of an effort being made, but investing in it seems like it’s making an effort in the wrong direction.
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Difference is, if you invest in Apple and find out they use slave labor, you are still primarily investing in a phone production industry. Investing in prison labor is just that, slave labor. A phone company can eventually stop using slave labor, but prison labor is always slave labor.